Turned Straight After 14 Months Of Peating

[opethfeldt]

I think I get what you mean, I'd say maybe the threshold for tolerating other people's bull**** long term is reduced and possibly emotions too, but it's difficult the first part from what low metabolism would produce. Given you said you felt much more competitive and needed to dominate maybe these men were similar to you hormones wise (higher dht, low e2), or highly estrogenic. It's hard to guess at times.

It's hard to say. It appears that most of the men who end up looking like they wanna challenge me are indeed less estrogenic but I'm just going off the fact that they look more androgenic. The men I know who I am pretty sure are estrogenic who I used to get along well with no longer want to even be around me. I find this stuff to be very interesting. It's amazing how much your physiology affects your experiences in life.

 

[Wagner83]

It's hard to say. It appears that most of the men who end up looking like they wanna challenge me are indeed less estrogenic but I'm just going off the fact that they look more androgenic. The men I know who I am pretty sure are estrogenic who I used to get along well with no longer want to even be around me. I find this stuff to be very interesting. It's amazing how much your physiology affects your experiences in life.

Yes I could probably lose a few friends with androsterone. I like to blame the aggressivity on other people being estrogenic but I wonder if pheromones in themselves may have too strong of an effect (especially borderline of normal range) regardless of others' hormonal profile, so that most men would be hard to get along with face to face. I smelt androsterone on a couple of people (haidut's clients?), it's somewhat annoying, when it's too much it's really not discreet and you keep smelling it everyhwere.

 

[opethfeldt]

Yes I could probably lose a few friends with androsterone. I like to blame the aggressivity on other people being estrogenic but I wonder if pheromones in themselves may have too strong of an effect regardless others hormonal profile, so that most men would be hard to get along with face to face. I smelt androsterone on a couple of people (haidut's clients?), it's somewhat annyoing, when it's too much it's really not discreet and you keep smelling it everyhwere.

Yes. I have definitely noticed you have to go easy with androsterone. Both men and women can act aggressively if you smell like it too heavily. Most pheromone mixtures use only a fraction of what people here are typically applying, so it may just be that it's an overwhelming supra physiological dose. I wouldn't be surprised if the people you smelled it on were Haidut's clients. I don't think I had ever smelled androsterone on anyone before I first smelled it.

 

[Wagner83]

If I had not tried I would not have recognized the smell, maybe some people just overdo it on certain fragrances and these are somewhat better at keeping the scent on the surface rather than androsterone reaching bloodstream and being partly metabolized ?
Would you say you get less of a direct pheromonal effect from using/abusing pansterone?
Did you ever do bloodwork?

Yes. I have definitely noticed you have to go easy with androsterone. Both men and women can act aggressively if you smell like it too heavily. Most pheromone mixtures use only a fraction of what people here are typically applying, so it may just be that it's an overwhelming supra physiological dose. I wouldn't be surprised if the people you smelled it on were Haidut's clients. I don't think I had ever smelled androsterone on anyone before I first smelled it.

 

[opethfeldt]

If I had not tried I would not have recognized the smell, maybe some people just overdo it on certain fragrances and these are somewhat better at keeping the scent on the surface rather than androsterone reaching bloodstream and being partly metabolized ?
Would you say you get less of a direct pheromonal effect from using/abusing pansterone?
Did you ever do bloodwork?

Pansterone seems to be metabolized and then I notice a difference in body odor the following day. This increases depending on how much was used. I get very negative reactions from others if I use a lot (more than 5mg). If I use androsterone in high doses (10+mg), I get a similar strange body odor from my underarms. It does not happen if I use small doses. The smell I get from high dose androsterone must be from something it metabolizes into because it doesn't smell like androsterone. As for blood work, unfortunately I don't have any from recently. I haven't had a reason to get blood work because I've felt good. I only get blood work if I feel off.

 

[haidut]

You're probably bi.

From what I understand, there are no true bisexual males. The studies I have seen show that females are possibly naturally bisexual while bisexual males show identical brain activation as homosexual males. The bisexual male is now considered to be mostly sporadic events due to social pressure mostly. However, there are quite a few documented studies on reversal of homosexual males sexual preference and it is almost always exclusive - no maintenance of bisexuality or ambiguity. There has been reversal of the reversal as well - back to exclusively homosexual, but from what I understand males do not really have a neurological framework for true bisexualism/ambiguity like women do.

 

[haidut]

Cannot recall where I read it some years ago, but some specialists in sexuality and biology made a pretty good case for saying there is no true bi-sexuality, as if another option distinct from heterosexuality and homosexuality. Bisexuality is a genre or variation of homosexuality, and never a type or form of heterosexuality. My guess it has something to do with the weight of attraction is preponderant for same sex, and light with opposite sex for bisexuals.

Ooops, sorry I did not see your post so I posted a possible duplicate. I have seen the same studies as you I guess.

 

[Regina]

I believe the aggression had more to do with the low estrogen than the high DHT. I think having low estrogen reduces your empathy for others. I, too, noticed males becoming aggressive out of nowhere. I get dirty looks all the time. I can only assume they must be estrogenic and feel threatened.

I don't know. Lots of people come and go in my school. In my experience, men with gyno, fat faces and visible capillaries below their ankle bones (i.e., estrogenic), are very stiff, intolerant, rough and completely disconnected to the experience that is available there.

 

[Badger]

Ooops, sorry I did not see your post so I posted a possible duplicate. I have seen the same studies as you I guess.

Oh, that's fine haidut, as you added more information about female bi-sexuality. What I saw focused on men only, with no mention of women in relation to bi-sex.

Many years ago I was good friends with a married man who was very conservative in every way except when it came to homosexuality, he always took what most would consider the progressive or enlightened view on it, something he would never do when it came to say, feminism or racial issues. I found it puzzling and inconsistent with his normally rigid conservative views on anything else, and suspected him of being gay for about 5 seconds once or twice, but put it out of my mind. Years passed and his wife divorced him, and he was single for years, and we remained good friends with him. I later lost touch with him and after my wife and I moved away from the area, we found out that he was indeed gay and had things going on with men, without a doubt. His former wife never saw any evidence he was gay while they were married, though, as she told it. Then he got remarried, to a woman (these days one cannot assume gender of spouse, so I spell it out). Whether he was "bi" and could enjoy women to an extent or just married them for "cover" or the "beard" as they say, I will never know. (He was a high level executive in a very public organization, and could not afford to be outed at that time in history.)

 

[haidut]

Oh, that's fine haidut, as you added more information about female bi-sexuality. What I saw focused on men only, with no mention of women in relation to bi-sex.

Many years ago I was good friends with a married man who was very conservative in every way except when it came to homosexuality, he always took what most would consider the progressive or enlightened view on it, something he would never do when it came to say, feminism or racial issues. I found it puzzling and inconsistent with his normally rigid conservative views on anything else, and suspected him of being gay for about 5 seconds once or twice, but put it out of my mind. Years passed and his wife divorced him, and he was single for years, and we remained good friends with him. I later lost touch with him and after my wife and I moved away from the area, we found out that he was indeed gay and had things going on with men, without a doubt. His former wife never saw any evidence he was gay while they were married, though, as she told it. Then he got remarried, to a woman (these days one cannot assume gender of spouse, so I spell it out). Whether he was "bi" and could enjoy women to an extent or just married them for "cover" or the "beard" as they say, I will never know. (He was a high level executive in a very public organization, and could not afford to be outed at that time in history.)

Thanks for this account. Well, having periods of sexual exclusivity and then changing back and forth can also explain his behavior as I mentioned in my other post. Hence his prolonged singlehood after his divorce. So, he was straight when he got married and then shifted preferences, then got divorced and stayed single while he was gay, and then got married again if his preferences shifted. It's all just speculation of course, there is no certain way of knowing, as yous said. But if you do meet him again and the conversation gets in that direction it would be interesting to hear his opinion.

 

[Mufasa]

@haidut I think this is true for my n=1 case. I only look at girls now (don't tell my girlfiend I look at other girls! )

If I would break up for some reason, I would go look for a girlfriend, not for a boyfriend.
Allthough I still much understand what I found attractive in guys. I don't feel like that is what I want.

It has all been quite confusing, because being gay was kind of part of my identity, and many people get kind of shocked when I tell them, that I have a girlfriend now.
But when I'm with her it just feels right. And I just go with the flow.

I actually stopped many of what I mentioned in this thread. I now take:

- vitamin A, 100.000 UI up to 150.000 UI (health natural, topical)
- vitamin K2, 3 drops, topical, idealabs
- caffeine 400-800 mg
- vitamin B3 (500 mg)

I also stopped thyroid (I didn't mention that in this thread), and I now use caffeine instead.
I think the increased vitamin A + the vitamin K2 give me the same effect as the other stuff.
I actually keep feeling better every week, every month.

 

[haidut]

@haidut I think this is true for my n=1 case. I only look at girls now (don't tell my girlfiend I look at other girls! )

If I would break up for some reason, I would go look for a girlfriend, not for a boyfriend.
Allthough I still much understand what I found attractive in guys. I don't feel like that is what I want.

It has all been quite confusing, because being gay was kind of part of my identity, and many people get kind of shocked when I tell them, that I have a girlfriend now.
But when I'm with her it just feels right. And I just go with the flow.

I actually stopped many of what I mentioned in this thread. I now take:

- vitamin A, 100.000 UI up to 150.000 UI (health natural, topical)
- vitamin K2, 3 drops, topical, idealabs
- caffeine 400-800 mg
- vitamin B3 (500 mg)

I also stopped thyroid (I didn't mention that in this thread), and I now use caffeine instead.
I think the increased vitamin A + the vitamin K2 give me the same effect as the other stuff.
I actually keep feeling better every week, every month.

Thanks for sharing! I am glad you are feeling better. I also take thyroid very sporadically as I find that things like MB, vitamin K, niacinamide, and some cypro can provide the metabolic boost if I need one.

 

[Peatogenic]

It's interesting to hear people say you must have been bi, when my first thought was you must have been "biologically" homosexual and you changed your biology. I do wonder, though, if this was an uncomfortable revelation? Any updates?

There's the theory out there that most men are born bisexual and learn socially to repress one or the other. For you, all you needed was a seeming hormone change to efficiently switch. For straight men who experience this unintentional shift, it is usually devastating.

 

[ddjd]

think many people including me sometimes forget how freaking important vitamin A is, and how much stuff can get better with super high vitamin A dosages.

Was this retinol palmitate or retinol acetate?

 

[Alex1974]

I can’t change bloating and he changes sexual preferences.
Geez)

 

[Mufasa]

For people that are interested in an update.
I'm still with my girlfriend and I'm very attracted to her.

At this moment, what I eat:
- 2x 1000 ml of OJ
- 2x 500 ml of skyr
- other fruits, such as banana, mango, melons, apples, berries
- eggs, organ meats, shellfish
- extra starches to support my need for calories, together with vegetables fried in coconut oil for example mushrooms and spinach with brown rice pasta, or patotoes with sauerkraut
- sometimes gelatin powder, sometimes gelatin desserts
- coffee

vitamin D: 20000 UI (health natura)
vitamin A: 75000 UI (health natura)
vitamin E: 40 IU (tocovit from idealabs)
vitamin K2: 10 mg (idealabs)

At this moment, I'm more and more beginning to realise how my mindset contributes to my metabolic health.
And this seems a larger factor to me than what I can achieve with finetuning diet and supplements (at this moment in my life).

If you think about thyroid, it seems to be the hormone of abundance.
You get in a thyroid metabolism if every thing is all right.
There is an abundance of calories.
Abundance of carbs, abundance of proteins.
An abundance of all the micronutrients that a body needs.
And last but not least, there has to be abundance of time.

And this last thing, making my body feel that there is an abundance of time, seems to be the most important thing for me at the moment.

 

[Wagner83]

And this last thing, making my body feel that there is an abundance of time, seems to be the most important thing for me at the moment.

Do you mind explaining more this part?

That's a lot of vitamin a and d, I guess it's topical.

 

[Momado965]

Yessir I consider myself heterosexual now, and honestly sometimes can feel ashamed of my flirtations with homosexuality during this period. But then I think about the havoc that finasteride wrecked on my metabolic stability and in the end I am very fortunate to have improved and moreover still be alive and well. I suppose these experiences helped me establish who I was as a person, the inherit "slade", if there can be such a thing, is a total ladie's man. Without these memories the context would not have been added to my mind, and I may not value passionate heterosexual romance as much as I do now, so there is a silver lining. Non je regrette rien!

Lol I forgot to mention that I thought DHT>T, as my early lab assays demonstrated after propecia . I wonder if those islanders were sexually more or less active then a standard population and what their hairlines were like. Studying such a population would thrilling.

I wrote about something similar to this some days ago. How 'ex' gay men may feel a sense of shame after reverting to heterosexuality. It make perfect sense.

 

[Mufasa]

Do you mind explaining more this part?

That's a lot of vitamin a and d, I guess it's topical.

Yes, topical.

In simple terms, it is the avoidance of urgency.
Honestly I could write a book about this.
It's hard to structure your life that you feel there is abundance of time.
It is about trying to feel what you do is important, but doesn't have to be done right now.
It could also be done tomorrow, or next month.
But you choose to do it now.

Of course, there are always urgencies, and you got to deal with that.
But you can try to organise your life, to avoid it as much as possible.

 

[Blossom]

In simple terms, it is the avoidance of urgency.

I couldn't agree more!