Message To Men - Check For A Varicocele - (Lowers Libido Causes ED)

[Rock_V]

Have tried a lot of Peaty things in almost 2 years for my varicoceles but not any slight improvements yet.

Have you not considered surgery? Does it cause you any issues?

As I understand it NO is defnitely negative for varicosed veins and would worsen them. Pycnogenol is the best otc supplement for vein health, but still it may boost NO production when the body needs to produce it. An other member suggested physicial therapy that may be an interesting route.

Pycnogenol definitely sounds like something worth trying. :) Yeah I'm going to contact one while I'm waiting for my operation, see if they can help.

 

[Wagner83]

I suggest you look for stories of people who did surgery, pretty sure some had their varicocele come back just the same or did not notice any benefit . You could try to view the problem as a clue towards some a broader dysfunction (physical , hormonal etc..), or maybe not..
As for surgery I'm not sure there's only one option (embolization?).

 

[Parsifal]

Have you not considered surgery? Does it cause you any issues?




Pycnogenol definitely sounds like something worth trying. :) Yeah I'm going to contact one while I'm waiting for my operation, see if they can help.

No need for surgery in my case but I just know and can feel that my vascular system is weak for my age.

Pycnogenol is supposed to raise nitric oxide if I remember well?

 

[BigYellowLemon]

I have and have had a varicocele since I could start forming memories.

It seems my family just has weak veins in general - both grandfathers had aneurysms.

It definitely looks weird but I've come to accept it and have forgotten about it.

I wonder how fertile I am at this point. Throughout middle school I would take extremely hot baths for hours at a time daily. Plus getting hit numerous times down there. Damn hahah.

Aspirin (325mg) + pregnenolone (>100mg) + mixed tocopherols (300mg) + retinol (10,000 IU) + vitamin K2 (5mg) + coconut oil (all mixed together) did little for my varicocele, or at least I haven't noticed big change.

Although I have a strong strong suspicion that most of them are underdosed or straight up fake.

I will never undergo surgery for it.

 

[Rock_V]

I have and have had a varicocele since I could start forming memories.

It seems my family just has weak veins in general - both grandfathers had aneurysms.

It definitely looks weird but I've come to accept it and have forgotten about it.

I wonder how fertile I am at this point. Throughout middle school I would take extremely hot baths for hours at a time daily. Plus getting hit numerous times down there. Damn hahah.

Aspirin (325mg) + pregnenolone (>100mg) + mixed tocopherols (300mg) + retinol (10,000 IU) + vitamin K2 (5mg) + coconut oil (all mixed together) did little for my varicocele, or at least I haven't noticed big change.

Although I have a strong strong suspicion that most of them are underdosed or straight up fake.

I will never undergo surgery for it.

Any reason why you won't get it operated on? The microsurgery operation appears to be highly successful and has very positive effects on male fertility. Gonadal health is a significant contributor to metabolic health in general.

Varicocelectomy: microsurgical subinguinal technique is the treatment of choice

 

[BigYellowLemon]

Any reason why you won't get it operated on? The microsurgery operation appears to be highly successful and has very positive effects on male fertility. Gonadal health is a significant contributor to metabolic health in general.

Varicocelectomy: microsurgical subinguinal technique is the treatment of choice

I don't trust doctors.

Scar tissue and all that jazz.

 

[Wagner83]

Pycnogenol is supposed to raise nitric oxide if I remember well?

This is precisely what I was discussing before, however it benefits vein health the most out of all otc supplements (opposite to NO boost), it should also help lung function (same), is anti inflammatory (same) and apparently it reduces NO if it is overproduced, so I think the marketing for its NO boosting properties is mainly due to the trend of NO boosters (citrulline, viagra etc..) . Of course I could be wrong.


Improvements of Venous Tone with Pycnogenol in Chronic Venous Insufficiency: An Ex Vivo Study on Venous Segments

Conclusions
The study indicated that varicose veins in subjects using Pycnogenol appear more resistant to dynamic stresses (stretching and dilatation), and that after the stress, recovery to the initial shape, volumes, and sizes can be achieved faster and better. Several potential positive actions of Pycnogenol have been shown in clinical studies on venous disorders and generally on the vascular wall.14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Previous studies had shown that Pycnogenol is incorporated into the venous wall,14 19 and it is possible that its activity on venous tone (as indicated in the present study) may be effective in several other aspects and conditions in the evolution of CVI.

Edit: Received a mail from Ray who thinks pycnogenol should be protective against high NO. I tried citrulline for a few days and could barely breathe so I guess that would be one way to check its effects on NO.

 

[Parsifal]

This is precisely what I was discussing before, however it benefits vein health the most out of all otc supplements (opposite to NO boost), it should also help lung function (same), is anti inflammatory (same) and apparently it reduces NO if it is overproduced, so I think the marketing for its NO boosting properties is mainly due to the trend of NO boosters (citrulline, viagra etc..) . Of course I could be wrong.


Improvements of Venous Tone with Pycnogenol in Chronic Venous Insufficiency: An Ex Vivo Study on Venous Segments


Edit: Received a mail from Ray who thinks pycnogenol should be protective against high NO. I tried citrulline for a few days and could barely breathe so I guess that would be one way to check its effects on NO.

I had tried it in the past for several without any improvements, probably just worsening.

 

[TubZy]

It is caused by high estrogen btw. Some people have had it reversed with topical aspirin, progesterone, or even vitamin E. But in some cases surgery is needed if the vein is really large and painful.

Makes sense, I had it while on fin, had surgery (laparoscopic) and it's gone now though but caused me pain which I why I had the surgery. I also had inguinal hernia surgery from lifting as well while on fin. I still have a few inch horizontal scar. The increase in estrogen from fin probably weakened my veins and ligaments....

I wish I knew this back then.

To the OP, topical K2 may even work too or topical DHEA which would convert directly on the skin to DHT from the 5AR in the skin.

 

[Rock_V]

@TubZy Thanks man! Yeah I'm gonna try the topical route and the physiotherapy route for now while I'm waiting for surgery. :)

 

[Wagner83]

I had tried it in the past for several without any improvements, probably just worsening.

I noticed the opposite, but may try it again out of curiosity. I don't know if it was protective or negative for breathing , which would be an other clue towards NO boosting or NO controlling, I know that l-citrulline taken for days felt life threatening. Did you mean several months or days?

 

[nerfherder]

Literally that day I stumbled upon the whole CPPS thing and enrolled in physical therapy. Within one week my testicle returned to normal size and started hanging normally again. Within two weeks my testosterone levels returned to normal. Within one month my wife was pregnant.

Hello waldenpond, can you give us some idea what sort of physical therapy you did to achieve such amazing results?

Also, great thread. Thank you everyone for contributing.

 

[member 2106]

Hello waldenpond, can you give us some idea what sort of physical therapy you did to achieve such amazing results?

Also, great thread. Thank you everyone for contributing.

That part wasn't me. I was quoting someone who went by the moniker of "obitoo" on various internet forums a while ago. There's probably a fair bit of exaggeration in his language, but I think the basic point is true.

 

[nerfherder]

That part wasn't me. I was quoting someone who went by the moniker of "obitoo" on various internet forums a while ago. There's probably a fair bit of exaggeration in his language, but I think the basic point is true.

Ah thanks, that gives me something to go and check out.

 

[ImprovingDaily]

Hi Everyone :)
So, this is actually my first post on the forum. I've been following and learning lots from here for a few months now, and I've been wanting to share this information for a while as I think it could enlighten people about something which is fairly common and appears to cause pretty sinister symptoms.

I am a 20 year old male and have a left sided grade 3 varicocele. For those who have no idea what a varicocele is ( I didn't ) then google is probably your best answer for an in depth explanation, but basically it is just enlarged veins of the scrotum, which feel like a bag of worms. The blood in these tortuous veins becomes stagnated leading to diminished blood flow to the scrotum and a subsequent potential cascade of problems that stem from poor testicular function. Varicocele is the Number 1 cause of male infertility, and I can tell you from my own personal experience that the symptoms that have been most pronounced are erectile dysfunction + desensitised, very low/zero libido, brain fog and general low mood and tiredness.

I believe I acquired the varicocele during adolescents where I also had gynecomastia, a condition believed to be caused by estrogen. So it came as no surprise when I found this study which found the condition was significantly correlated with varicocele: Relationship of adolescent gynecomastia with varicocele and somatometric parameters: a cross-sectional study in 6200 healthy boys. - PubMed - NCBI

This study shows that patients with varicocele had significantly lower levels of DHT, which probably explains some of the libido problems, and the distinct lack of facial hair I have:
Testosterone and dihydrotestosterone seminal plasma levels in varicocele patients. - PubMed - NCBI

At 20 these conditions are obviously unusually, especially considering my low prolactin level of 3 ng/ml. It seems despite all dietary and lifestyle interventions, nothing seems to turn these symptoms into remission. It also seems to have increased my TSH. Thyroid hormones made in testicles maybe?

The main reason I wanted to post this is because for many years the varicocele had only very subtle symptoms, which weren't vividly noticeable. I still had a low libido and lack of confidence but I thought this was just a 'teen' thing and that eventually it would all subside. It wasn't until it enlarged to a grade 3 early last year (able to see veins outside the scrotum) that I put 2 and 2 together.

So for men who're not feeling 100% you may want to get checked out, and get it fixed. If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

Hey man, I've had issues with what I think was a minor/moderate case of varicocele and what helped me out was Horse Chestnut. I don't even get the testicular pain anymore and the swelling is down, permanently. It's been weeks since I've taken it as well. There's anecdotes online of people curing their varicoceles with Horse Chestnut as well if you're looking for more evidence. I've tried Biorutin was well but that didn't help me, the horse chestnut definitely did. You can get some Vitamin shoppe brand chestnut for relatively cheap too. If you try it, you should begin to see positive results within a week.

 

[Renaiscience_Man]

I went through the surgery in 2010. Both sides were grade 3. I had no pain, but I thought it was the reason for my lowering sex drive. 2 weeks after my surgery my sex drive went up very high. I was happy about it. After about 3 months, I developed new varicose veins, so the surgery was useless since it doesn't correct the root cause.

 

[Hagecage]

Hi guys, to make a very long story short, I started taking steroids some months ago for the first time of my life(sustanon 250 & dianabol) took no PCT (I know fk me). Anyways after 3 months cycle I stopped and started working alot and started taking alot of Amphetamines, I would have many problems while I was high.

I wouldn't pass stools while I was taking and I would usually be awake for 2-4 days, and I was taking amphetamine like every week or two and I always had majure urinating problems and my balls were always tucked in my belly. It all began when i went with an ambulance to the ER becauseI felt like my balls went way up my stomach and had alot of pain in them like they were to explode and lower stomach pain, I had testicular exam and all good and was just sent home, I kept taking amphetamine and went to the ER like 5 times within a month caused by many different problems including the pelvic floor. I got sober and everything was fine.

Then I started to get some serious gyno symptoms on my right pec,i went to doctor to get blood exam and it came out as little prolactin, but I have really minor visible gyno.

Then one day after all this I got a really strange numb feeling in my left testicle and my testicle would sometimes go up in the stomach especially after ejaculation followed by frequent urination and lower back pain, I thought it was prostate problems so I went once again to doctor and he examined me and came out I have chronic prostate enlargement, I got antibiotics and stuff.

But after the doctor I still felt it was something else, it was and is really uncomfortable to sit, as if something in my scrotum was trying to explode through the skin and I have weird numb feeling in my left testicle, so I checked my scrotum and there is something huge under my ballsack, so I googled and figured I have varicocele, pressure in my scrotum and strange uncomfortable feeling in my left testicle and like something is pinched under it, feels pretty numb and if I touch it, i feel cold feeling on the testicle and if wind goes on it also.

The pain/uncomfortness is bareable but I just realised this today and I have worries, like if my left testicle is dead or something, my libido is fine and I get a major hard on, but I've been telling my girlfriend I need to chill because of the gyno, I feel like it gets worse the more often I ejaculate.

It feels good putting my story here and all replies would be really helpful, I am 20 years old, I'm a gym rat and I tend to eat healthy food only.

Thank you for reading this - some guy from Iceland

 

[x-ray peat]

I think I may have a varicocele too. Symptoms are dull pain and semi large veins. After looking around a bit I found this book which has 100% good reviews. https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Gui...=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1487908388&sr=1-3

I signed up for a free month of kindle as the book is $30. Anyone familiar with it? I'll start reading and let you know if its any good.

 

[Rock_V]

@x-ray peat Hey man! No, I've never read it but I'd be interested to know what it recommends. :) Keep us posted! I might get it too.

 

[Hagecage]

Guys I really recommend that you stop masturbating for a while and eat a lot of garlic and ginger and turmeric, I've been eating loads of it for 2 days and my swelling disappeared ?! I had HUGE veinsack under my balls but now I can't find it anymore, give it a try hope it helps.