michael94
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keep the starch from bursting? could you explain
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keep the starch from bursting? could you explain
I lold. We need Carbs and protein rightThere have been various discussions on this forum regarding personal problems from getting all glucose and fructose, or the vast majority, from solely fruit, milk and table sugar.
I've tried this 'optimal' protocol, and instinctually cannot continue. A day without rice, potatoes or wheat is just a bad day for me. I much prefer potatoes to rice, and in turn rice to wheat, but I'd have any of them over none at all.
There are a couple of arguments generally brought up:
1. I should push on through. It's just part of the adaptation process, and I'll look back at my starch eating days with a chuckle. I'm living the zero-starch American Dream, and oh boy I feel sorry for my Soviet comrades who didn't have the grit to escape their repressive starchy prisons. I'm now burning energy perfectly, my CO2 production is vastly improved from high fructose consumption, and all my health and psychological problems have disappeared from my hard-fought campaign to obliterate endotoxin from my gut. I've reached the Peat nirvana, I am Adam.
2. You are doing it wrong. You need to add more liver, or oysters, or lightly blanched collard greens, or take 12 grams of salt with your freshly juiced perfectly ripe oranges. Or whatever.
Anyways, I just think people are far too focused on this high sugar scenario. I understand the argument against starches, and wheat is definitely bad news to some degree, rice tastes dull, but edible. Well cooked potatoes however, are essential I believe.
It could well be that living in Britain and being able to get naturally grown Jersey Royal new potatoes significantly improves the biological effects of the food. I'm not sure.
It started with me feeling like I was somewhat better following the various protocols subscribed (high coffee consumption, l-theanine, limited meat consumption, zero pufa, low fat in general, fruit and dairy daily, soft drinks, aspirin etc etc.)
But as time went on I was putting on weight, and generally my gut health was getting worse. I was putting on abdominal fat, and no, it wasn't because I was consuming too much fat, or that I couldn't handle the change in energy utilisation (I'm a young male with no previous health complications).
So I decided to lean into 'the potato diet'. From the first bite of well cooked potato I knew this is what I needed. My guts cleared up, I dropped water weight initially, but then it sustained, I was happier, and getting healthier. I still consume a lot of skimmed milk, lean meats, eggs, tropical fruits etc. But I crave nothing more that a big bowl of potatoes, with a stocky meaty stew, or something similar, almost as a condiment.
It warms me up, my muscles seem to ease up a lot, my thoughts flow more clearly, I sleep much better, I want to be active and move about, and so on. I think people on this forum can definitely fall prey to what they fundamentally despise, namely scientific reductionism. I know there are studies on starch problems. Fine. But many people start a potato centred diet as a quick fix for weight loss, and find they never stop. Then there's that Japanese region where potatoes are the bulk of the calories, and they are some of the longest living in the world. And the Pacific Islanders. And I'm sure there is evidence on the other side of the equation, showing no consumption of potatoes, rice etc is problematic.
Anyways, I think a lot of you could solve most of your remaining maladies by eating them. Importantly, not with dairy fat. Therein seems to lie the problem. Eat them on a low fat diet.
Forgive me for not remembering the name, but a lady on this forum introduced some very important information on wet starches, and the unique, I would argue necessary, effect this has. As I recall it was something along the lines of only wet starches can sufficiently shuttle glycogen to the muscles, or wherever else that wonderful stuff needs to end up.
Finally, I've put a few quotes from Ray himself, which seem to add some balance to this debate that any starchy food will be destructive:
'Well cooked potatoes, with butter or cream, are a very good way to get carbohydrate, if you aren't allergic to them, because they contain a good balance of amino acids, too, as well as minerals and B vitamins.'
'Well cooked white potatoes, such as russets, are very nutritious, and the (cooked) juice is just something for people with extreme metabolic or digestive problems.'
'Roots, shoots, and tubers are, next to the fruits, a good carbohydrate source; potatoes are a source of good protein.'
Use about a teaspoon of refined coconut oil per say 5 or 6 potatoes, which is about the number you use to make a whole hash brown.sounds incredible. Doing that tonight. Bout to boil some potatoes right now! And you don't add any fat at any point, right?
It took me about 1 month of no starch before I didn't crave it anymore. Now it grosses me out. A month ago I ran out of fruit, and being 45 min from the nearest store I boiled up a few of my wifes potatoes to eat with some milk. Within 10 minutes my nose was plugged, and my stomach was upset. As long as I have access to fruit, I will never eat starch again. So more for you guys. I asked Ray a few weeks back if he thinks nowadays that certain types of cooked starch, boiled etc... were beneficial and if he eats any.
" When a non-starchy fruit is available I think it’s always preferable to starch. Alkali-processed corn is the only kind that I’m willing to eat, and seldom that (e.g., corundas made with wood ashes)." - Ray Peat
westside started a thread about someone who has some theories on the subject. if you read through the thread, as well as Natalie's short baked vs boiled article on her website, you will get a sense of the theory.
Natalie Zimmerman: "The Woefully Misguided War On Carbohydrates"
According to this forum that isn't correct. Or at least that's the impression I've got. Milk definitely is seen as more optimal than potatoes. Not that I'm bashing milk, I drink about 1.5 skimmed litres per day.I lold. We need Carbs and protein right
.. Potatoes seem just as good as milk.
Logically I'd assume that's where it ends up. So yeah I always remove the water.Solanine removed from boiling remains in water? so better not reuse the water for other thing, like cooking rice?
@wiggles92 I eat Fruit, and Milk, I combine skim and 1%. I eat hydrogenated coconut oil, liver, and oysters, but I only eat oysters once per week, and will usually have about 1 ounce of liver everyday.
Since giving up starch my skin is smoother, I don't get little zits that I use too on my arms, legs and back, My sense of smell has improved, and I no longer have pollen allergies during the spring and summer, nor do I have a chronically semi plugged nose. My digestion is better, I don't bloat, and I don't get sick anymore. My temperature has risen from a chronic 98.2 to 98.8-99.0, my teeth are noticeably harder and whiter, I don't get heart palpitations after eating, like I use to with starch foods, its easier to lose fat, and I have a better outlook on life. I'm sure there are other things, but I'm busy and can't think of anymore things off the top of my head.
@wiggles92 I don't know. Maybe it's the mental component of some whose life revolves around eating, and tasting certain flavors that only starchy foods with spices can provide, and being without that might mess with one's mind and therefore spilling over into their health. Also the strong rise in blood sugar from starch that fruit doesn't provide can become somewhat addictive I think. I don't care, because I eat to live, I don't live to eat. When Ray points out abvious benefits to fruits over starches, as well as the potential dangers of starch, it becomes a no brainer to me. If the world as we know it continues on without massive wars or a small ice age that kills my family and myself off, I wish to see my daughters grow up, live their lives and be a part of it as long as I can, and in good health. So my position for myself is to take advantage of every health factor that I know of, and can manipulate so as to stick around as long as I can. I personally feel, function, and look best without starch, so the evidence plus self experamentation is proof for be, but I have avoided starch for a long time, not just days, weeks or months, but coming up on several years.
I think that's a part of why i love starch so much. Not sure if the blood sugar rise is really a good or a bad thing.Also the strong rise in blood sugar from starch that fruit doesn't provide can become somewhat addictive I think.