Transitioning From Male To Female

[kringlecold]

I've decided I can't really stand living as a man anymore.
So I'm going to be taking testosterone blockers and estrogen.

Ray directly told me this isn't safe, but I was wondering if they is a way to at least limit the harm.

Thank you.

 

[ExD]

I've decided I can't really stand living as a man anymore.
So I'm going to be taking testosterone blockers and estrogen.

Ray directly told me this isn't safe, but I was wondering if they is a way to at least limit the harm.

Thank you.

Why do you need testosterone blockers ? Will your test production not naturally plummet after the operation?

Also it is fairly difficult to give advice on limiting damage from estrogen. From what I remember there are like 4 different types and I'd assume most are fairly harmful in the absence of progesterone. What estrogen are you taking? How are you taking it? For how long and with what? Etc,

 

[Momado965]

Although I disagree heavily with your choice and the homosexual and transexual life style entirely, I am interested in the hormonal transitioning thus body and mind changes.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

Interesting subject. Did Ray give you any other advice what to do?

If it's not too personal, what do you mean by not standing living as a man? Is it about what people expect a man to be or about something about your body bothering you?

I think we all have a man and a woman inside of us and it's important to embrace both. And definitely don't let your outer parts define your personality.

 

[milkboi]

I‘m not hating on your decision, do what you want with your body...

but the thing is you‘ll never be a woman. And after the operation also never a real man again. Is that really something desirable? Being in some kind of weird in between state?

 

[ivy]

I'm sorry to say, but this forum is not the ideal place to find advice regarding estrogen voluntarily taken, as most here are dealing with the side effects of estrogens involuntarily nagging their lives.

Do you mind me asking how old you are? Have you considered a different route? FYI, I'm bissexual and in no way engaging in moral objection, just generally concerned with hormonal and surgical interventions that might not tackle your current discomfort.

 

[redsun]

I've decided I can't really stand living as a man anymore.
So I'm going to be taking testosterone blockers and estrogen.

Ray directly told me this isn't safe, but I was wondering if they is a way to at least limit the harm.

Thank you.

Being a man is the greatest gift in the whole world. Problem is you just can't see it. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

What you are seeking to do will not provide relief, that is a promise.

 

[AgentCranberry]

but the thing is you‘ll never be a woman. And after the operation also never a real man again. Is that really something desirable? Being in some kind of weird in between state?

100% agree.

kringlecold, I do not say this out of hate but out of concern for you. I believe you that you have deeply troubling experiences and feelings about your body and yourself.

However, thinking you can solve your unhappiness by "changing" your sex is not the way to go. You will never be able to change your sex.

God created us as man and woman, he loves you indefinitely and he created you as a male. I think the first step to healing is to accept that.

If you need any help or want to talk just message me!

 

[Jing]

I've decided I can't really stand living as a man anymore.
So I'm going to be taking testosterone blockers and estrogen.

Ray directly told me this isn't safe, but I was wondering if they is a way to at least limit the harm.

Thank you.

Can I ask what bothers you about being a man??also can't progesterone be used for this along side androgen blockers??

I don't really like being a man either but I would never get a sex change, I feel though I would like being a man if I was tall, had a big penis, had a good jawline , height and big penis would be all I need though to feel good as a man.

 

[mrchibbs]

I‘m not hating on your decision, do what you want with your body...

but the thing is you‘ll never be a woman. And after the operation also never a real man again. Is that really something desirable? Being in some kind of weird in between state?

+1

To OP, I say this with all the love in the world, I want you to be happy, but is your health the best it can be right now? I'm sure you're not taking this decision lightly, but if you're hypothyroid and/or suffering from nagging issues you may not be in the best mental state to make the best decision. It might be important to work on that first, a lot of the issues we deal with are shaped by inadequate energy, and it can shape our thinking in ways which are not adequate.

What @damngoodcoffee said is absolutely dead on: " I think we all have a man and a woman inside of us and it's important to embrace both. And definitely don't let your outer parts define your personality."

I firmly believe we can be attracted to anyone at anytime, and we can express otherwise "feminine" behaviours and vice-versa. In fact the happiest people never let social barriers get in the way of being how they truly feel. You need to feel good about yourself and shape your personality accordingly. There are no limitations in being born a man.

 

[mrchibbs]

Can I ask what bothers you about being a man??also can't progesterone be used for this along side androgen blockers??

I don't really like being a man either but I would never get a sex change, I feel though I would like being a man if I was tall, had a big penis, had a good jawline , height and big penis would be all I need though to feel good as a man.

Sadly a deficient environment during gestation and early years has caused griefs for many men, in that they never develop to their full potential physically and it impairs their view of themselves, their sexuality and their relationship with the world.

That being said, making the changes and restoring high thyroid function, along with exogenous use of DHEA/Progesterone, can do a lot to restore growth processes and improve development.

 

[Momado965]

Sadly a deficient environment during gestation and early years has caused griefs for many men, in that they never develop to their full potential physically and it impairs their view of themselves, their sexuality and their relationship with the world.

That being said, making the changes and restoring high thyroid function, along with exogenous use of DHEA/Progesterone, can do a lot to restore growth processes and improve development.

Such an interesting thing to say. What do you mean by that?

 

[mrchibbs]

Such an interesting thing to say. What do you mean by that?

Haha it's a little complicated, but here goes: I think that the declining health of the past generations, bad pregnancies, and poor early life choices like feeding formula instead of mother's milk, create a state of thyroid-deficiency and oftentimes serotonin-dominance from birth (which is Ray's explanation for autism). This explains the increased lack of resilience of the youth and degradation we see nowadays with teenagers going bald. Add to that a toxic culture, lack of purpose, reduced sun exposure, pornography etc. all these things are powerful stressors.

But the core of the idea I was making, and I've come at this from Ray, but also from orthomolecular doctors who saw 40 years that certain boys needed larger amounts of zinc/b6 and other minerals, sometimes "unnatural" doses, as if they were compensating for something. Orthomolecular medicine saw this as dependancy on certain nutrients vs. deficiency.

If you're hypothyroid since birth and/or your gestation wasn't complete and/or you didn't get breastfed, it's an uphill battle all of your life, and especially in adolescence, without the action of thyroid hormone, you can't produce sufficient amounts of the protective hormones progesterone, dhea, testosterone etc. and your organs, tissues, brain, heart, lungs and of course, sexual organs don't mature to their full potential, which becomes a psychological burden, and affects your relationships with others, because our capacity to be truly human is driven by hormones, our sexual response, our drive, our interaction, our identity, all of that is driven by the hormones.

This is compounded by a reduced resilience to stress (from being hypothyroid), and leads to premature hair loss and a sense of arrested development vs. other kids who were given sufficient energetic resources in early life. This leads to bitterness confusion, and a positive feedback loop of further degradation of metabolism and serotonergic state of "hibernation" to conserve resources in the face of stress. And fundamentally, this runs contrary to the fundamental desire of any living organism: which is to grow, thrive, explore, create, reproduce etc.

Basically you can see how inadequate development can create a massive hollow feeling and can break the spirit of many, simply because they didn't have the energetic resources to reach their potential. Healthy people continue growing and developing in every way right up until their early 30s. For really sick people, they can "peak" physically and mentally at 15. On average, in the past, people got stronger, better looking and more intelligent every year from 15 to 25. Most kids these days start breaking down before they're 20.

I think were Ray is inspirational is that he's stated many times, that although sometimes there are epigenetic processes which are hard to reverse, focusing really on creating the best conditions to support metabolism, it is possible at anytime to restore a state of restoration and then development, and reach our potential as human beings. The idea is that life is good for us, and in a state of high metabolic intensity (optimal thyroid function), our tissues grow and repair to allow us to live and meet the challenges of life. This obviously is a full 180 from the idea that life wears us down.

And in this state of "arrested development" and impaired metabolism, our thinking is clouded by serotonin and we often become stuck on an endless search for meaning and trying to restore good feelings, and a sense of self, and ultimately I don't think this is possible without restoring high metabolic energy.

Sorry if it's unclear at times, it hard sometimes to express my ideas very clearly.

 

[mrchibbs]

Much of these ideas were first touched upon by Ray in Generative Energy, in particular, this quote is really amazing:

 

[Jing]

feeding formula instead of mother's milk,

I was fed soya formula milk lol I hate the doctor who recommended this to my mum terrible.

 

[mrchibbs]

I was fed soya formula milk lol I hate the doctor who recommended this to my mum terrible.

I feel your plight. It has probably affected our lives to a massive extent.

I was 1 month premature, and was fed Johnson&Johnson 100% PUFA-rich formula.

Can you imagine young kids these days? Their mom probably spent 9 months with an iPad or Laptop on their belly, watching Netflix, and as soon as they're born they have an iPad with massive EMF exposure from every angle.

Yippee

 

[Jing]

I feel your plight. It has probably affected our lives to a massive extent.

I was 1 month premature, and was fed Johnson&Johnson 100% PUFA-rich formula.

Can you imagine young kids these days? Their mom probably spent 9 months with an iPad or Laptop on their belly, watching Netflix, and as soon as they're born they have an iPad with massive EMF exposure from every angle.

Yippee

Yh man it's terrible, I wish there was a way to reverse the damage this stuff has done .

 

[alephx]

Having two persons I know fairly well recently go through this (hormones not surgery..yet), I cannot help but wonder what is the thought process behind this. Is is not like someone who hopes to find happiness by being rich, only to realize they are just as miserable? How is it different from the otherwise "healthy" woman who thinks getting nose-job/breast implants will substantially change her life? (I recognize there are health situations, accident, conditions where it could have a significant impact on quality of life)

Curiously enough, one of these friends also cast it in terms similar to being done with being a man. Even if you could theoretically change that fact, imagine waking up as a woman, what would change other than possibly society's expectations of yourself. You think woman have it better or worse? I'd say just different.

Hope you think this thoroughly, as it has serious health implications and dubious benefit (you will not be considered a woman by most of society, just seeing it with this friends). I for one think that, health and family/community are the only things we have in this life, the rest derives from this and the rest are wants and not needs. I'm not sure if it is part of the current obsession with image and materialism in general.

In this post-modern world of infinite choice (or at least the illusion of), I think something particularly important for every individual to consider is, what are the things that we must simply accept as they came to us and not try to change. Kind of like pick your battles wisely, and sorry to say but going against your own biology does not seem a very constructive (or winnable) battle. I think most people in this forum have the perspective of battling the impositions of the modern world as it comes to health through actively changing their external circumstances and environment (diet, supplements, lifestyle). It begins outside but then changes their body. You just want to change yourself and have someone else'e reflect this change back to you.

Imagine you were blind and everyone told you you are a woman. Imagine you were the only human in existence, would you care about being anything in particular? Imagine how that would feel. You would just BE. Can you BE right now?


Sorry if it sounds judgemental as this is a topic that saddens me a lot, but before you accuse me of not accepting you, realize the one that is not accepting himself is you.

 

[mrchibbs]

Yh man it's terrible, I wish there was a way to reverse the damage this stuff has done .

There is though. That is what Ray's work is all about, it's just hard work. See quote below

The prenatal environment can imprint a pattern of hormone balance, especially hypothyroidism, that tends to persist until new patterns can be formed, and that usually requires prolonged supplementation and a very good diet. With a good balance of nutrients and thyroid function, the protective progesterone, pregnenolone and DHEA are produced sufficiently to reduce the burden on the adrenal glands. - Ray Peat

 

[Jing]

There is though. That is what Ray's work is all about, it's just hard work. See quote below

Yh I guess some things but what about jaw structure , bone structure, shoulder width, height etc. I'm believe having a good start in life from birth will determine some of these things.