In The Ancient Times Billion Of Years Ago There Were More Plants = More Oxygen?

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respiratory/circulatory physiology may have been different as well
edit: Not to mention breath frequency
 

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Here is a chart showing millions of years of CO2, based of different models. We are currently on the far right of that, IE. the lowest in history. EDIT: I should say on average. There may have been quick dips of lower CO2, and concurrent icy periods, that are harder to model.

More CO2 = larger and more plants : more plants = more oxygen

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Here is a chart showing millions of years of CO2, based of different models. We are currently on the far right of that, IE. the lowest in history.

More CO2 = larger and more plants : more plants = more oxygen

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Yes, I think that was the case.



Artour Rakhimov kinda explains here how the levels of CO2 were in the past comparing to the modern days.
But it will be always a thing that we can't confirm until we build time machines xD
 
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I assume you mean millions of years ago right?

The earth was significantly smaller.

There was much less oxygen as @haidut and I discussed. The oxygen that, in combination with hydrogen, makes up the the oceans came from Saturn several thousand years ago. There was significantly more co2 as @schultz s picture shows.

I would like to note that estimations of geological time spans tend to be exaggerated. Geologists are a bit like evolutionists in that they don't accept that sudden changes are possible, so when they see large changes in the ice sheets or rock deposits they assume it implies thousands or millions of years of gradual development.

Much like Ray peats transparent fish which, in a single generation, displayed extreme physiological changes in response to a new environment.
An evolutionist looking at these fish would assume that it took millions of years to achieve what had only taken a generation.
 
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I assume you mean millions of years ago right?

The earth was significantly smaller.

There was much less oxygen as @haidut and I discussed. The oxygen that, in combination with hydrogen, makes up the the oceans came from Saturn several thousand years ago. There was significantly more co2 as @schultz s picture shows.

I would like to note that estimations of geological time spans tend to be exaggerated. Geologists are a bit like evolutionists in that they don't accept that sudden changes are possible, so when they see large changes in the ice sheets or rock deposits they assume it implies thousands or millions of years of gradual development.

Much like Ray peats transparent fish which, in a single generation, displayed extreme physiological changes in response to a new environment.
An evolutionist looking at these fish would assume that it took millions of years to achieve what had only taken a generation.

Well the Earth exists approx. for 3.14 billion years.

What's up with the climate change drama then which is all about increased Co2?
 
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Has anyone here heard of the theory that Sirius is out suns binary star and every 12,000 years they draw close and Sirius, being several times larger and hotter than the sun, cleanses the earth and the cycle restarts.

I believe its called the yuga cycle.
 

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Well the Earth exists approx. for 3.14 billion years.

What's up with the climate change drama then which is all about increased Co2?
It's complete BS. Plants actually start to die off at around 150 ppm CO2 and are much more productive at levels 5 times higher than today. Many believe that the industrial revolution has actually saved us from a real global crisis as CO2 levels have been steadily dropping for the last several million years and could have gone below the dead zone.
 

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It's complete BS. Plants actually start to die off at around 150 ppm CO2 and are much more productive at levels 5 times higher than today. Many believe that the industrial revolution has actually saved us from a real global crisis as CO2 levels have been steadily dropping for the last several million years and could have gone below the dead zone.
Someone post this channel here and I found it very interesting. I've been watching some of his videos since then.

youtube,com/user/MyanmarLiving/videos
 
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It's complete BS. Plants actually start to die off at around 150 ppm CO2 and are much more productive at levels 5 times higher than today. Many believe that the industrial revolution has actually saved us from a real global crisis as CO2 levels have been steadily dropping for the last several million years and could have gone below the dead zone.

Wow. Let's bring CO2 back up!
 

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Has anyone here heard of the theory that Sirius is out suns binary star and every 12,000 years they draw close and Sirius, being several times larger and hotter than the sun, cleanses the earth and the cycle restarts.

I believe its called the yuga cycle.

I have, there are even semi-serious endeavors in mainstream astronomy to locate a hidden "sun" that seems to be affecting our Sun's trajectory periodically. I don't know if that is Sirius but there is definitely more than just our solar system around us since both the planet and sun's trajectories are not what they should be.
Nemesis Star Theory: The Sun's 'Death Star' Companion
Our Sun Could Have Been Born With an Evil Twin Called "Nemesis"

"...So if the Sun has a twin, it's almost certainly not easily visible in our neighbourhood. But there is an hypothesis that our Sun has a dark twin that likes to swing by every now and then, and stir things up."
 

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Plants turn co2 into sugars and phosphorus and so co2 creates more photosynthesis which creates faster growing bigger plants which the plants can absorb more co2. If the powers that be were actually serious about co2 and climate change that they would be very serious on protecting the natural environment and stopping deforestation.

When there were heaps of volcanoes erupting the co2 would have been high but as the plants grew from the volcanic soil the co2 would have lowered from all the plants using it.

Some hydroponic cannabis growers create a sealed environment for the plants and pump co2 into the sealed room and maintain 1100ppm of co2 in the air and yield substantial results in weight of plant material, the plants look different and much healthier. The csiro scientists of Australia are concerned with the 400ppm of co2 at Cape Grim up from 320ppm in the 80s. Australia has logged more rainforest (75%) than any other country.

The research on the thunderbolts project about the big dinosaurs would not have been able to hold their heads up or pump blood to their brain in the current force of gravity or other forces which are not known is interesting.

I was at the beach on the east coast of Australia with an aboriginal elder (native Australian) and he told me that the ocean levels used to be lower and that there is a river out in the ocean that his ancestors used to fish from it and would explain how they moved from Africa without airplanes and boats so there definitely has been some changes around here in recent times.
 
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I have, there are even semi-serious endeavors in mainstream astronomy to locate a hidden "sun" that seems to be affecting our Sun's trajectory periodically. I don't know if that is Sirius but there is definitely more than just our solar system around us since both the planet and sun's trajectories are not what they should be.
Nemesis Star Theory: The Sun's 'Death Star' Companion
Our Sun Could Have Been Born With an Evil Twin Called "Nemesis"

"...So if the Sun has a twin, it's almost certainly not easily visible in our neighbourhood. But there is an hypothesis that our Sun has a dark twin that likes to swing by every now and then, and stir things up."

I believe it's sirius. These space.com articles are a pile of crap. Look at this quote from the article

"Nemesis is a theoretical dwarf star thought to be a companion to our sun. The theory was postulated to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in Earth's history. Scientists speculated that such a star could affect the orbit of objects in the far outer solar system, sending them on a collision course with Earth.

In the early 1980s, scientists noticed that extinctions on Earth seemed to fall in a cyclical pattern. Mass extinctions seem to occur more frequently every 27 million years. The long span of time caused them to turn to astronomical events for an explanation."


Nemesis huh? I can't stand the bull**** popular science articles. A "theoretical" brown dwarf to explain cyclic extinctions. The extinctions were explained thousands of years ago by the ancients, and have been touched on dozens of times since then. It's insane. Have none of these astronomers heard of Velikovsky?

Plus they got the date (purposefully) wrong. The evidence shows that these cataclysms happen in much shorter intervals. Thousands of years, not millions. And they are global; planet wide.

"In spite of the general popularity of catastrophism, there does seem to be a number of recently discovered 'proofs' of ancient cataclysmic changes in the Earth's crust, which may account for the nearly total disappearance of these prehistoric worlds. Geological evidence indicates that these changes were both sudden and drastic and might have completely overwhelmed and destroyed the early inhabitants and their cultures." -- Brad Steiger, author, October 1978

"But it is also really important to note that these eruptions and repeated retreats were not at all slow and did not all take place gradually. On the contrary, most of the catastrophes which brought them on have been sudden. That is especially easy to demonstrate for the last of these catastrophes, which by a double movement inundated and later left dry our present continents or at least a great part of the land which forms them today. That catastrophe also left in the northern countries the cadavers of great quadrupeds locked in the ice, preserved right up to our time with their skin, hair, and flesh. If they had not been frozen as soon as they were killed, decay would have caused them to decompose. On the other hand, this permanent freezing was not a factor previously in the places where these animals were trapped. For they would not have been able to live in such a temperature. Hence the same instant which killed the animals froze the country where they lived. This event was sudden, instantaneous, without any gradual development. What is so clearly demonstrated for this most recent catastrophe is hardly less so for the earlier ones. The rending, rearranging, and overturning of more ancient layers leave no doubt that sudden and violent causes placed them in the state in which we see them. The very force of the movements which the bodies of water experienced is still attested to by the mountain of remains and rounded pebbles interposed in many places between the solid layers. Thus, life on this earth has often been disturbed by dreadful events." -- Georges Cuvier, naturalist, 1825
Amazing. Sounds like that 2012 movie but it really happened. Can you imagine something so spectacular?
Here is the timing of the last apocalypse. Not 27 million years but 5 thousand years.

"... the surface of our globe has been the victim of a great and sudden revolution, the date of which cannot reach back much more that five or six thousand years; that in this revolution the countries in which men and the species of animals now best known previously lived, sank and disappeared; that conversely it laid dry the beds of the previous sea, and made it into the countries that are now inhabited; that since that revolution the small number of individuals spared by it have spread out and reproduced on the land newly laid dry; and that consequently it is only since that time that our societies have resumed a progressive course, that they have formed institutions, erected monuments, collected facts about nature, and combined them into scientific systems." -- Georges Cuvier, naturalist, 1819

Five thousand years ago is also when Ancient Egypt appeared out of nowhere, creating the pyramids and other ancient marvels we are still trying to unravel.

"How does a complex civilization spring full-blown into being? Look at a 1905 automobile and compare it to a modern one. There is no mistaking the process of 'development.' But in Egypt there are no parallels. Everything is right there at the start. The answer to the mystery is of course obvious but, because it is repellent to the prevailing cast of modern thinking, it is seldom considered. Egyptian civilization was not a 'development', it was a legacy." -- John A. West, egyptologist, 1979

"They [the Egyptians] don't seem to have an ancestry, they don't seem to have any period of development, they just seem almost to appear overnight." -- Toby Wilson, egyptologist, 2003

That's because they're the survivors of an apocalypse.

Not just the Egyptians. These pyramids have been found in China, Europe, and South America:

"A Peruvian site [Caral] previously reported as the oldest city in the Americas actually is a much larger complex of as many as 20 cities with huge pyramids and sunken plazas sprawled over three river valleys, researchers report. Construction started about 5,000 years ago — nearly 400 years before the first pyramid was built in Egypt...." -- Thomas H. Maugh II, journalist, December 2004

"Almost 5000 years ago, ancient Peruvians built monumental temples and pyramids in dry valleys near the coast, showing that urban society in the Americas is as old as the most ancient civilizations of the Old World." -- Charles C. Mann, journalist, January 2005

"Dating from 3000BC, the oldest of the Brazilian pyramids predate the earliest Egyptian example by several hundred years." -- David Keys, journalist, November 1996

"Archaeologists have discovered the world's oldest pyramids - on the Atlantic coast of southern Brazil." -- David Keys, journalist, November 1996

"There are more than 16 pyramids spread over Greece. The oldest one is the Pyramid of Hellinikon....Dating measurements were performed by the Laboratory of Archaeometry at Dimokritos ....It was determined that the pyramid was erected at about 2720 B.C. It must be noted that, according to these results, the Hellenikon pyramid predates, by at least 100 years, the oldest Egyptian pyramid (Djoser - 2620 B.C.) and by 170 years the Great Pyramid of Cheops (Khufu - 2550 B.C.)." -- Ellie Crystal, metaphysicist, 1995

"We know that all the pyramids were laid out according to the positions of certain stars." -- Erich Von Däniken, author, 1968
I wonder what stars these pyramids are all pointing to.

"Dost thou not know, Asclepius, that Egypt is the image of the Heaven?" -- Hermes Trismegistus, magi

I wonder what heaven they're referring to

"The second sun perished when the sky fell upon the earth; the collapse killed all the people and every living thing; and they say that giants lived in those days, and that to them belong the bones that our Spaniards have found while digging mines and tombs. From their measure and proportion it seems that those men were twenty hands tall—a very great stature, but quite certain." -- Francisco L. De Gómara, historian, 1552

I wonder what second sun

When these cataclysm happen mountains and oceans appear where none existed before. I believe that is what happened with the Andes mountain. We discussed this in a previous thread by @charlie about how the creation of mountains is electrical in nature and not due to plate tectonics as is commonly thought.

"The whole globe appears to have undergone the same catastrophes. At a height superior to that of Mount Blanc, on the summit of the Andes, we find petrified sea shells; fossil bones of elephants are spread over the equinoctial regions; and, what is very remarkable, they are not discovered at the feet of the palm trees in the burning plains of the Orinoco, but on the coldest and most elevated regions of the Cordilleras. In the new world, as well as in the old, generations of species long extinct have preceded those, which now people the earth, the waters, and the air." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1814

"Why did great cataclysms occur on Earth, such as the sinking of Atlantis and the the rise of the Andes? Accorsing to some theories, the cause was a gigantic asteroid that fell onto Earth, or the appearance of the hitherto non-existent Moon in the sky over Earth. Is this so?" -- Alexander Kazantsev, natural philosopher, 1974

Civilizations are wiped out and have to start all over again (and again and again)

"In the life of Manco Capac, who was the first Inca, and from whom they began to boast themselves children of the Sun and from whom they derived their idolatrous worship of the Sun, they had an ample account of the deluge. They say that in it perished all races of men and created things insomuch that the waters rose above the highest mountain peaks in the world. No living thing survived except a man and a woman who remained in a box and, when the waters subsided, the wind carried them ... to Tiahuanaco [where] the creator began to raise up the people and the nations that are in that region." -- Cristóbal de Molina, priest, 1572
Every 5 thousand years

"Geologists from earliest days, but especially from the eighteenth century (Baron Cuvier and others) recognized that a 'flood' had spread a blanket of 'drift' over Europe. Thus, it comes as no surprise that an 'event' 11,000 years ago had the energy and fluid medium to broadcast erratics and other debris in a thick blanket over southern Canada, the Great Lakes region, New England, the prairies of western Canada and the American midwest. Anyone who has pondered the well-established sudden disappearance from the region of whole species of the larger ungulates (elephants, camel, horse, sloth, etc.) and their predators, while the same families of creatures continued, apparently unaffected, elsewhere in the world, will find the 'flood' interpretation of prehistory convenient for explaining the facts." -- C. Warren Hunt, geologist, 1989

"It is impossible to reflect on the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly, it must have swarmed with great monsters; now we find mere pigmies, compared with the antecedent allied races.... The greater number, if not all, of these extinct quadrapeds lived at a period and were the contemporaries of the existing sea-shells. Since they lived, no very great change in the form of the land can have taken place. What, then, has exterminated so many species and whole genera? The mind at first is irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great catastrophe; but thus to destroy animals, both large and small, in Southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America, and up to the Bering Straights, we must shake the entire framework of the globe." -- Charles R. Darwin, naturalist, January 1834


11 thousand years ago some great cataclysm shook up the Americas. 5 thousand years later it happened again.

"Etruscans, the Egyptians, the people of Tibet, and the Aztecs, exhibit striking analogies in their buildings, their religious institutions, their division of time, their cycles of regeneration, and their mystic notions. It is the duty of the historian to point out these analogies, which are as difficult to explain as the relations that exist between the Sanskrit the Persian, the Greek, and the languages of German origin...." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1814

No ***t. They all believed that time existed in cycles as determined by the stars and their religion, architecture, and politics was based off astrology.

I wonder where they got that crazy idea.


"Well I think that there have been a series of catastrophes that have taken place in the history of life on Earth. If you go back to the time of Plato and Aristotle and the Greek philosophers, they said that. You know, time goes in cycles. There have been periodic devastations after which civilizations have risen again and again and again. So I think that we're in one of those cycles now and we're in the down part of the cycle." -- Michael A. Cremo, author, August 2006
 

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I believe it's sirius. These space.com articles are a pile of crap. Look at this quote from the article

"Nemesis is a theoretical dwarf star thought to be a companion to our sun. The theory was postulated to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in Earth's history. Scientists speculated that such a star could affect the orbit of objects in the far outer solar system, sending them on a collision course with Earth.

In the early 1980s, scientists noticed that extinctions on Earth seemed to fall in a cyclical pattern. Mass extinctions seem to occur more frequently every 27 million years. The long span of time caused them to turn to astronomical events for an explanation."


Nemesis huh? I can't stand the bull**** popular science articles. A "theoretical" brown dwarf to explain cyclic extinctions. The extinctions were explained thousands of years ago by the ancients, and have been touched on dozens of times since then. It's insane. Have none of these astronomers heard of Velikovsky?

Plus they got the date (purposefully) wrong. The evidence shows that these cataclysms happen in much shorter intervals. Thousands of years, not millions. And they are global; planet wide.

"In spite of the general popularity of catastrophism, there does seem to be a number of recently discovered 'proofs' of ancient cataclysmic changes in the Earth's crust, which may account for the nearly total disappearance of these prehistoric worlds. Geological evidence indicates that these changes were both sudden and drastic and might have completely overwhelmed and destroyed the early inhabitants and their cultures." -- Brad Steiger, author, October 1978

"But it is also really important to note that these eruptions and repeated retreats were not at all slow and did not all take place gradually. On the contrary, most of the catastrophes which brought them on have been sudden. That is especially easy to demonstrate for the last of these catastrophes, which by a double movement inundated and later left dry our present continents or at least a great part of the land which forms them today. That catastrophe also left in the northern countries the cadavers of great quadrupeds locked in the ice, preserved right up to our time with their skin, hair, and flesh. If they had not been frozen as soon as they were killed, decay would have caused them to decompose. On the other hand, this permanent freezing was not a factor previously in the places where these animals were trapped. For they would not have been able to live in such a temperature. Hence the same instant which killed the animals froze the country where they lived. This event was sudden, instantaneous, without any gradual development. What is so clearly demonstrated for this most recent catastrophe is hardly less so for the earlier ones. The rending, rearranging, and overturning of more ancient layers leave no doubt that sudden and violent causes placed them in the state in which we see them. The very force of the movements which the bodies of water experienced is still attested to by the mountain of remains and rounded pebbles interposed in many places between the solid layers. Thus, life on this earth has often been disturbed by dreadful events." -- Georges Cuvier, naturalist, 1825
Amazing. Sounds like that 2012 movie but it really happened. Can you imagine something so spectacular?
Here is the timing of the last apocalypse. Not 27 million years but 5 thousand years.

"... the surface of our globe has been the victim of a great and sudden revolution, the date of which cannot reach back much more that five or six thousand years; that in this revolution the countries in which men and the species of animals now best known previously lived, sank and disappeared; that conversely it laid dry the beds of the previous sea, and made it into the countries that are now inhabited; that since that revolution the small number of individuals spared by it have spread out and reproduced on the land newly laid dry; and that consequently it is only since that time that our societies have resumed a progressive course, that they have formed institutions, erected monuments, collected facts about nature, and combined them into scientific systems." -- Georges Cuvier, naturalist, 1819

Five thousand years ago is also when Ancient Egypt appeared out of nowhere, creating the pyramids and other ancient marvels we are still trying to unravel.

"How does a complex civilization spring full-blown into being? Look at a 1905 automobile and compare it to a modern one. There is no mistaking the process of 'development.' But in Egypt there are no parallels. Everything is right there at the start. The answer to the mystery is of course obvious but, because it is repellent to the prevailing cast of modern thinking, it is seldom considered. Egyptian civilization was not a 'development', it was a legacy." -- John A. West, egyptologist, 1979

"They [the Egyptians] don't seem to have an ancestry, they don't seem to have any period of development, they just seem almost to appear overnight." -- Toby Wilson, egyptologist, 2003

That's because they're the survivors of an apocalypse.

Not just the Egyptians. These pyramids have been found in China, Europe, and South America:

"A Peruvian site [Caral] previously reported as the oldest city in the Americas actually is a much larger complex of as many as 20 cities with huge pyramids and sunken plazas sprawled over three river valleys, researchers report. Construction started about 5,000 years ago — nearly 400 years before the first pyramid was built in Egypt...." -- Thomas H. Maugh II, journalist, December 2004

"Almost 5000 years ago, ancient Peruvians built monumental temples and pyramids in dry valleys near the coast, showing that urban society in the Americas is as old as the most ancient civilizations of the Old World." -- Charles C. Mann, journalist, January 2005

"Dating from 3000BC, the oldest of the Brazilian pyramids predate the earliest Egyptian example by several hundred years." -- David Keys, journalist, November 1996

"Archaeologists have discovered the world's oldest pyramids - on the Atlantic coast of southern Brazil." -- David Keys, journalist, November 1996

"There are more than 16 pyramids spread over Greece. The oldest one is the Pyramid of Hellinikon....Dating measurements were performed by the Laboratory of Archaeometry at Dimokritos ....It was determined that the pyramid was erected at about 2720 B.C. It must be noted that, according to these results, the Hellenikon pyramid predates, by at least 100 years, the oldest Egyptian pyramid (Djoser - 2620 B.C.) and by 170 years the Great Pyramid of Cheops (Khufu - 2550 B.C.)." -- Ellie Crystal, metaphysicist, 1995

"We know that all the pyramids were laid out according to the positions of certain stars." -- Erich Von Däniken, author, 1968
I wonder what stars these pyramids are all pointing to.

"Dost thou not know, Asclepius, that Egypt is the image of the Heaven?" -- Hermes Trismegistus, magi

I wonder what heaven they're referring to

"The second sun perished when the sky fell upon the earth; the collapse killed all the people and every living thing; and they say that giants lived in those days, and that to them belong the bones that our Spaniards have found while digging mines and tombs. From their measure and proportion it seems that those men were twenty hands tall—a very great stature, but quite certain." -- Francisco L. De Gómara, historian, 1552

I wonder what second sun

When these cataclysm happen mountains and oceans appear where none existed before. I believe that is what happened with the Andes mountain. We discussed this in a previous thread by @charlie about how the creation of mountains is electrical in nature and not due to plate tectonics as is commonly thought.

"The whole globe appears to have undergone the same catastrophes. At a height superior to that of Mount Blanc, on the summit of the Andes, we find petrified sea shells; fossil bones of elephants are spread over the equinoctial regions; and, what is very remarkable, they are not discovered at the feet of the palm trees in the burning plains of the Orinoco, but on the coldest and most elevated regions of the Cordilleras. In the new world, as well as in the old, generations of species long extinct have preceded those, which now people the earth, the waters, and the air." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1814

"Why did great cataclysms occur on Earth, such as the sinking of Atlantis and the the rise of the Andes? Accorsing to some theories, the cause was a gigantic asteroid that fell onto Earth, or the appearance of the hitherto non-existent Moon in the sky over Earth. Is this so?" -- Alexander Kazantsev, natural philosopher, 1974

Civilizations are wiped out and have to start all over again (and again and again)

"In the life of Manco Capac, who was the first Inca, and from whom they began to boast themselves children of the Sun and from whom they derived their idolatrous worship of the Sun, they had an ample account of the deluge. They say that in it perished all races of men and created things insomuch that the waters rose above the highest mountain peaks in the world. No living thing survived except a man and a woman who remained in a box and, when the waters subsided, the wind carried them ... to Tiahuanaco [where] the creator began to raise up the people and the nations that are in that region." -- Cristóbal de Molina, priest, 1572
Every 5 thousand years

"Geologists from earliest days, but especially from the eighteenth century (Baron Cuvier and others) recognized that a 'flood' had spread a blanket of 'drift' over Europe. Thus, it comes as no surprise that an 'event' 11,000 years ago had the energy and fluid medium to broadcast erratics and other debris in a thick blanket over southern Canada, the Great Lakes region, New England, the prairies of western Canada and the American midwest. Anyone who has pondered the well-established sudden disappearance from the region of whole species of the larger ungulates (elephants, camel, horse, sloth, etc.) and their predators, while the same families of creatures continued, apparently unaffected, elsewhere in the world, will find the 'flood' interpretation of prehistory convenient for explaining the facts." -- C. Warren Hunt, geologist, 1989

"It is impossible to reflect on the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly, it must have swarmed with great monsters; now we find mere pigmies, compared with the antecedent allied races.... The greater number, if not all, of these extinct quadrapeds lived at a period and were the contemporaries of the existing sea-shells. Since they lived, no very great change in the form of the land can have taken place. What, then, has exterminated so many species and whole genera? The mind at first is irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great catastrophe; but thus to destroy animals, both large and small, in Southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America, and up to the Bering Straights, we must shake the entire framework of the globe." -- Charles R. Darwin, naturalist, January 1834


11 thousand years ago some great cataclysm shook up the Americas. 5 thousand years later it happened again.

"Etruscans, the Egyptians, the people of Tibet, and the Aztecs, exhibit striking analogies in their buildings, their religious institutions, their division of time, their cycles of regeneration, and their mystic notions. It is the duty of the historian to point out these analogies, which are as difficult to explain as the relations that exist between the Sanskrit the Persian, the Greek, and the languages of German origin...." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1814

No ***t. They all believed that time existed in cycles as determined by the stars and their religion, architecture, and politics was based off astrology.

I wonder where they got that crazy idea.


"Well I think that there have been a series of catastrophes that have taken place in the history of life on Earth. If you go back to the time of Plato and Aristotle and the Greek philosophers, they said that. You know, time goes in cycles. There have been periodic devastations after which civilizations have risen again and again and again. So I think that we're in one of those cycles now and we're in the down part of the cycle." -- Michael A. Cremo, author, August 2006

That's very interesting, thanks!
Yeah, the popular press articles are crap. I just listed them to show that even mainstream science acknowledges that something is amiss and this search for "Nemesis" is their answer to the theory/reality gap. Even the name they picked (Nemesis) shows they are gunning for publicity and not so much real discovery.
But if each cycle driven by Sirius is 24,000 years shouldn't cataclysms occur every 12,000 years instead of 5,000?
 
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But if each cycle driven by Sirius is 24,000 years shouldn't cataclysms occur every 12,000 years instead of 5,000?
That's why I think its more likely that an unknown planet with a smaller orbit is causing these disturbances rather than a second sun. But that's not to say there isn't a second sun as well and I agree that Sirius is a good candidate for that.
 
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That's why I think its more likely that an unknown planet with a smaller orbit is causing these disturbances rather than a second sun. But that's not to say there isn't a second sun as well and I agree that Sirius is a good candidate for that.

I think Ray wrote about Soviet scientist who was sent to the Gulag because he published something on disturbance in solar activity being the main cause of violent revolutions in societies and extinctions in animals. Can't remember the name right now. So, maybe the Sun is the direct cause but the changes in the electromagnetic field could be driven by that other planet/star.
 

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It's complete BS. Plants actually start to die off at around 150 ppm CO2 and are much more productive at levels 5 times higher than today. Many believe that the industrial revolution has actually saved us from a real global crisis as CO2 levels have been steadily dropping for the last several million years and could have gone below the dead zone.

Can you name a source or two that theorize that the industrial revolution saved us? I'd like to read more about that.

George Carlin actually has a bit where he talks about it. He starts talking about heavy industry at about 2:50. I think he even floats the idea that the planet created us start the industrial revolution (actually, it's about plastic)-
 

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Can you name a source or two that theorize that the industrial revolution saved us? I'd like to read more about that.

George Carlin actually has a bit where he talks about it. He starts talking about heavy industry at about 2:50. I think he even floats the idea that the planet created us start the industrial revolution (actually, it's about plastic)-

I saw it in a a lecture on climate change but cant remember which one. Here is an article I found on the subject
The carbon dioxide level is dangerously low
 

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