HIV And Other Fairy Tales

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Great interview with Jon Rapport:


They talk about a lot of things that Ray and haidut have discussed. Very interesting about the HIV virus as well. For some time now I had suspected that the whole "HIV will give you AIDS and kill you" insanity was unfounded, it's likely just a way to keep people from having more sex with each other( "oh no, I can't, I forgot my condom!"), since the elite or the powers that be want to depopulate the Earth and make people so weak that they can't fight back. Same thing with the virus/ bacteria paranoia. If you can insert doubt in the mind of millions of people, they will lose trust in themselves and will look up to authorities( the "specialists") so that they can tell them what to do. Also, xenophobia will arise from the paranoia and that will divide people even more( "divide and conquer"), since "clean", vaccinated people won't want to be near "dirty", unvaccinated people. The "ebola" thing is likely just the yellow fever in Brazil: a way that the disgusting elite found to make huge profits by selling vaccines and, not only will the elite kill off many people just from the side-effects from the toxins in the vaccines, but also these people will surely have problems in the future, which means more profit for pharmaceutical industry, which is just another way to make profit from the suffering of millions of people wordlwide. The fact that the medical establishment not only failed to identify people with AIDS as actually malnourished people, but also fooled them into using extremely toxic drugs which actually caused the AIDS in the first place for people who tested positive for HIV antibodies, shows that the people who are at the very top do NOT care about humanity, and murder for them is piece of cake, not a problem at all. But they seem to care about reputation, since Andrew Carnegie's wikipedia page says that he was a philanthrope, that is, he loved humanity, LOL, diametrically opposite to what he actually was, which is just a psycopath who used people for profit.

It's sad that the video above has less than 100 views.

 

[Attakai]

 

[TheBeard]

They talk about a lot of things that Ray and haidut have discussed [...] Same thing with the bacteria paranoia.

I’m pretty sure neither haidut nor Ray deny that bacteria can be harmful, as they advocate for the use of antibiotics

 

[Jem Oz]

What we now call "AIDS" actually began as a genuine 'syndrome' affecting highly promiscuous, drug-taking gay men in certain US cities in the late 70s. Back then it was known as GRID - Gay Related Immune Deficiency. It was a real thing, however it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the HIV virus.

The thinking at the time, before everything got corrupted and warped, was that gay men were getting terribly sick because of rampant drug use (especially poppers, which wreak havoc on the body), combined with the damaged, oxidatively stressed semen from other gay men (since bareback sex was very much the norm). They changed the name from GRID to AIDS because of a fear that it would stigmatize gay men. The whole, ridiculous connection with HIV didn't come in til a few years later, when the truly hairbrained, narcissistic charlatan Robert Gallo committed gross scientific fraud in his desperate attempt to get rich and famous, and made his infamous 'discovery'.

To this day, there are scientists who maintain that what we call "AIDS" is connected to oxidative stress and drug use (either recreational or, of course, 'therapeutic'). For example, "The Perth Group"

It's quite tragic to think of all the otherwise fit and healthy young men who are now on a daily regimen of supposedly HIV-preventing medication ("Truvada"). God only knows the damage they're doing to themselves.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

I’m pretty sure neither haidut nor Ray deny that bacteria can be harmful, as they advocate for the use of antibiotics

That's mostly in the gut( stomach and small intestine), which is sterile with a good thyroid function. Indeed, a clean gut with very little bacteria is clearly beneficial. But washing your hands 20 times a day or living inside a bubble obviously aren't good strategies. Bacteria on the skin is fine, for example.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

What we now call "AIDS" actually began as a genuine 'syndrome' affecting highly promiscuous, drug-taking gay men in certain US cities in the late 70s. Back then it was known as GRID - Gay Related Immune Deficiency. It was a real thing, however it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the HIV virus.

The thinking at the time, before everything got corrupted and warped, was that gay men were getting terribly sick because of rampant drug use (especially poppers, which wreak havoc on the body), combined with the damaged, oxidatively stressed semen from other gay men (since bareback sex was very much the norm). They changed the name from GRID to AIDS because of a fear that it would stigmatize gay men. The whole, ridiculous connection with HIV didn't come in til a few years later, when the truly hairbrained, narcissistic charlatan Robert Gallo committed gross scientific fraud in his desperate attempt to get rich and famous, and made his infamous 'discovery'.

To this day, there are scientists who maintain that what we call "AIDS" is connected to oxidative stress and drug use (either recreational or, of course, 'therapeutic'). For example, "The Perth Group"

It's quite tragic to think of all the otherwise fit and healthy young men who are now on a daily regimen of supposedly HIV-preventing medication ("Truvada"). God only knows the damage they're doing to themselves.

I didn't say AIDS wasn't real. I said HIV can't cause AIDS, because that virus doesn't exist. AIDS is very real, as I see it.

Yes, I recall reading about poppers contributing to AIDS.

It is tragic indeed. In Africa too, the "authorities" know that they are lacking so many things that are necessary for health, but even then they say that they're lacking vaccines. wtf

 

[Pet Peeve]

HIV/AIDS denialism in South Africa - Wikipedia

 

[Jem Oz]

@Rafael Lao Wai I actually wasn't disagreeing with or challenging you in any way. Just adding more info. I agree with everything in your original post. HIV is a relatively harmless virus with a long and interesting history. Robert Gallo spent years trying to link it with cancer in his desperate, pathetic quest for fame. When that failed, he switched to AIDS/GRID.

This stuff is so bonkers and infuriating and devastating, you wouldn't make it up.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

@Rafael Lao Wai I actually wasn't disagreeing with or challenging you in any way. Just adding more info. I agree with everything in your original post. HIV is a relatively harmless virus with a long and interesting history. Robert Gallo spent years trying to link it with cancer in his desperate, pathetic quest for fame. When that failed, he switched to AIDS/GRID.

This stuff is so bonkers and infuriating and devastating, you wouldn't make it up.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

HIV/AIDS denialism in South Africa - Wikipedia

So basically the president tried to end the insane "HIV causes AIDS" bandwagon, removing the drugs for HIV, which in fact are just toxic substances( given even to INFANTS!, holy sh*it) and actually turning to safer means to treat the sick people. Then the alternative way was mocked as "anti-science" and eventually somebody was bribed to fool people into thinking that the HIV drugs weren't toxic. Just classic brain-washing and corruption. Nothing new. The only denialism is from those in power who keep saying that these toxic treatments are the best solution.

 

[Fractality]

I don't think it stops at "HIV/AIDS". I think it's possible that bacteria and even parasites are not the "bad guy" just like cholesterol really isn't the bad guy. There has been studies on intractable digestive disorder patients who improved after ingesting parasites. Some have likened bacteria/parasites to the "janitors" of the biosystem.

 

[Jem Oz]

Here's some lovely light reading about a bunch of New York doctors who used poverty-stricken children as guinea pigs for extremely toxic HIV drugs. It is truly sick what some people will do in the quest for fame and fortune:

BBC News - New York's HIV experiment

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

I don't think it stops at "HIV/AIDS". I think it's possible that bacteria and even parasites are not the "bad guy" just like cholesterol really isn't the bad guy. There has been studies on intractable digestive disorder patients who improved after ingesting parasites. Some have likened bacteria/parasites to the "janitors" of the biosystem.

That would be in agreement with Aajonus Vonderplanitz's line of thought. It certainly is an interesting way to view these organisms.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Here's some lovely light reading about a bunch of New York doctors who used poverty-stricken children as guinea pigs for extremely toxic HIV drugs. It is truly sick what some people will do in the quest for fame and fortune:

BBC News - New York's HIV experiment

Wow. That's disgusting. The cascade in pregnant women, as I see it, seems to be something like this: depressing environment--> need for drugs to alleviate stress--> damage to the mother and, consequently, to the fetus--> children who have damaged imune systems( AIDS)--> foster houses are allowed to "help" them. When inside the foster house, the governemnt can undertake many experiments using nurses as unwitting henchmen to feed posions to the children there. I feel like this may the one of the main reasons for this whole cascade: doing experiments on humans. And, of course, as you said, the government will take the credit, since it's "helping" the children by providing "meds" for them, so it seems there is some type money-laundering involved.

That link reminds me of this case:
Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia

 

[LUH 3417]

Wow. That's disgusting. The cascade in pregnant women, as I see it, seems to be something like this: depressing environment--> need for drugs to alleviate stress--> damage to the mother and, consequently, to the fetus--> children who have damaged imune systems( AIDS)--> foster houses are allowed to "help" them. When inside the foster house, the governemnt can undertake many experiments using nurses as unwitting henchmen to feed posions to the children there. I feel like this may the one of the main reasons for this whole cascade: doing experiments on humans. And, of course, as you said, the government will take the credit, since it's "helping" the children by providing "meds" for them, so it seems there is some type money-laundering involved.

That link reminds me of this case:
Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia

All goes back to Unit 731
Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment? - Ch. 11 | Hiv/Aids | Sickle Cell Disease

 

[Fractality]

That would be in agreement with Aajonus Vonderplanitz's line of thought. It certainly is an interesting way to view these organisms.

Yes, they only thrive if there is dead/diseased/inflamed tissue. Killing them off doesn't address the underlying problem. It's definitely interesting, and I would be interested in reconciling Peat's view and Aajonus' view on these organisms.

 

[Pet Peeve]

So basically the president tried to end the insane "HIV causes AIDS" bandwagon, removing the drugs for HIV, which in fact are just toxic substances( given even to INFANTS!, holy sh*it) and actually turning to safer means to treat the sick people. Then the alternative way was mocked as "anti-science" and eventually somebody was bribed to fool people into thinking that the HIV drugs weren't toxic. Just classic brain-washing and corruption. Nothing new. The only denialism is from those in power who keep saying that these toxic treatments are the best solution.

I was open to hiv/aids denialism but then I read that it had been tried out in practice in South Africa with disastrous consequences. I went back and checked my sources and they were all from before the South Africa scandal. I even remember the father of a friend of mine talking about this in the 90's. My impression is it's abandoned now.

 

[Jem Oz]

"Denialism" doesn't mean: there's no problem. Nothing to see here. It's all manufactured... People are still sick, very very sick. It's just that it's got nothing to do with a lone virus. It's a huge raft of loosely related conditions that have resulted from years of malnutrition, toxic drugs, poor infant care, oxidative stress, stress and god knows what else. There's no surprise to me that people still got sick and sicker, after coming off the hideous HIV meds. Because they didn't address those cumulative other causes. It's the same with cancer: you don't just deny the genetic/viral theory and do nothing. You're still sick and will likely die if you don't make broad, holistic interventions.

There's something really bonkers at the heart of our society's desperate need to find ONE LONE CAUSE for something, and to give things definitive borders.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

"Denialism" doesn't mean: there's no problem. Nothing to see here. It's all manufactured... People are still sick, very very sick. It's just that it's got nothing to do with a lone virus. It's a huge raft of loosely related conditions that have resulted from years of malnutrition, toxic drugs, poor infant care, oxidative stress, stress and god knows what else. There's no surprise to me that people still got sick and sicker, after coming off the hideous HIV meds. Because they didn't address those cumulative other causes. It's the same with cancer: you don't just deny the genetic/viral theory and do nothing. You're still sick and will likely die if you don't make broad, holistic interventions.

There's something really bonkers at the heart of our society's desperate need to find ONE LONE CAUSE for something, and to give things definitive borders.

Exactly.

I was open to hiv/aids denialism but then I read that it had been tried out in practice in South Africa with disastrous consequences. I went back and checked my sources and they were all from before the South Africa scandal. I even remember the father of a friend of mine talking about this in the 90's. My impression is it's abandoned now.

Just because one alternative failed, it doesn't mean that the mainstream way of doing things is right. I believe they tried something like lemon water, beets etc to try to cure AIDS in Africa, so they were in the right track, that is, they were discovering that food has an impact on living creatures, but they were still at the very beggining, and things like thyroid or protein deficiency, as far as I know, weren't contemplated.

Also, if something was officially labeled as "disatrous" by the mainstream midia or by the government, it's likely just propaganda or they aren't telling the whole story. Feeding people who were malnourished for 10 years beetroots and expecting all of their problems to vanish and then concluding that that is all that alternative medicine can do is just a straw-man argument that has no good intention behind.

 

[Waynish]

People who test positive for HIV antibodies always test negative via PCR (in the cases I've seen so far). The antibodies are non-specific. The cure for AIDS is the same as the cure for each specific "AIDS-defining illness."