6-keto P4 - Liquid 6-ketoprogesterone For Lab/R&D

[MOUNTAINBEAR]

Thank you so much for this Haidut. I've tried this with pansterone and my sex drive is INSANE! Admittedly I had 3200mg D Aspartic Acid with 10mg of 6 keto P4 and 4 drops of Pansterone. So that might add to it. But the sensitivity and desire have increased exponentially. Absolutely love this

 

[haidut]

Thank you so much for this Haidut. I've tried this with pansterone and my sex drive is INSANE! Admittedly I had 3200mg D Aspartic Acid with 10mg of 6 keto P4 and 4 drops of Pansterone. So that might add to it. But the sensitivity and desire have increased exponentially. Absolutely love this

Awesome! If you can try without the aspartic acid and report back that would be great.

 

[ImprovingDaily]

Since this chemical likely opposes cortisol, in a stressful situation if the body cannot mount a cortisol response it may compensate with adrenaline. That's why it is important to use with something like Pansterone, which can balance that effect.

I'm just curious, how does Pansterone balance it? What's the mechanism? I tend to agree with you, using cortisol lowering supplements increases adrenaline and nervousness at times and pansterone provides good energy that relieves some of that nervousness.

 

[haidut]

I'm just curious, how does Pansterone balance it? What's the mechanism? I tend to agree with you, using cortisol lowering supplements increases adrenaline and nervousness at times and pansterone provides good energy that relieves some of that nervousness.

Both pregnenolone and DHEA have pro-dopamine effects and I think DHEA also inhibits the degradation of dopamine into norepinephrine and subsequently to epinephrine.

 

[ImprovingDaily]

Both pregnenolone and DHEA have pro-dopamine effects and I think DHEA also inhibits the degradation of dopamine into norepinephrine and subsequently to epinephrine.

Interesting. That makes sense. I always thought the nervousness and adrenaline had to do with either lowering cortisol or estrogen and maybe the dhea helped balance it out somehow with androgens. Definitely something I'm going to look into more. I love learning how things work.

 

[Slaspa]

@MOUNTAINBEAR

Hey man, glad you like it.

I'm also using it, doses around 30mg a day at the moment.

Feeling much better blood sugar levels, no crawings whatsoever (I'm cutting at the moment - currently around 11-13% BF), keeping cortisol under control very effectively, strength in the gym remarkably preserved at this weight (under 81kg from this morning - height 185cm), helps with lowering water weight (especially around midsection)...

Not feeling any side effects only positives so far.

My questions are - how do you apply it with Pansterone?

Do you apply those 4 drops Pansterone on scrotum or?

6-keto P4?

How tall are you and what is your weight (estimated BF level)?

Do you take some other supplements beside Pansterone and 6-keto? If so, how do you apply those?

Cheers

 

[Soren]

I've started out with a much lower dose than most seem to be doing only gone for one drop of 6-keto in the morning and 1 drops of pansterone. Anyone have any thoughts on what the optimal ratio between 6-Keto and pansterone would be?

 

[Epistrophy]

@MOUNTAINBEAR

Hey man, glad you like it.

I'm also using it, doses around 30mg a day at the moment.

Feeling much better blood sugar levels, no crawings whatsoever (I'm cutting at the moment - currently around 11-13% BF), keeping cortisol under control very effectively, strength in the gym remarkably preserved at this weight (under 81kg from this morning - height 185cm), helps with lowering water weight (especially around midsection)...

Not feeling any side effects only positives so far.

My questions are - how do you apply it with Pansterone?

Do you apply those 4 drops Pansterone on scrotum or?

6-keto P4?

How tall are you and what is your weight (estimated BF level)?

Do you take some other supplements beside Pansterone and 6-keto? If so, how do you apply those?

Cheers

How are you applying the 30mg?

I use the 6-keto, Pansterone sublingually.

 

[Slaspa]

And what are the effects? Libido, strength, sleep, general feeling...?

I apply it 4 drops on my inner side of forearms and 6 drops on abdomen.

Pansterone on scrotum.


Haven't tried them orally yet... Interested if you or someone else tried them both ways and what were the effects?

 

[Epistrophy]

And what are the effects? Libido, strength, sleep, general feeling...?

I apply it 4 drops on my inner side of forearms and 6 drops on abdomen.

Pansterone on scrotum.


Haven't tried them orally yet... Interested if you or someone else tried them both ways and what were the effects?

I tried it on my abdomen but I have hair and it became sticky. I did not like it.

Orally after two weeks I lost 5 pounds and I have been weight training again with nice strength gains only in that past two weeks.

Overall I do not feel any bad side effects.

 

[Slaspa]

...and you take one daily dose of 10mg 6-keto and 5mg Pansterone? Or do you repeat that dose more than once a day?

 

[Epistrophy]

...and you take one daily dose of 10mg 6-keto and 5mg Pansterone? Or do you repeat that dose more than once a day?

I am taking 12mg 6-keto with 4 drops Pansterone. I was trying it twice a day but did not notice anything different. So I am staying with the single doses. I am waiting for Vitamin K to come in and will start taking 10mg of that with the first combination.

 

[MOUNTAINBEAR]

Haha that's funny, I'm the same weight and height as you. Was around 90kg (but I was eating more than I felt like).

I put the drops on my forearms. I should try on the scrotum.

I'm taking DAA to lower prolactin. Applying 20 drops Magnoil before going to bed with one glass of water with aspirin (300mg) and glycine (3g). And zinc picolinate (15mg)

Once a week I do 3 drop of 11 keto DHT.

I also micro dose with stablon. 5mg every other day.

I have no idea about body fat. But I'm skinny and muscular.

I've been feeling and acting very "alpha". Telling girls what to do and not taking any ***t from them (in a nice way!). 2 girlfriends at the moment.

I had times in my life where I was just wanking to porn and staying in my room, didn't go out and was scared to approach women. So that's a big change.

@MOUNTAINBEAR

Hey man, glad you like it.

I'm also using it, doses around 30mg a day at the moment.

Feeling much better blood sugar levels, no crawings whatsoever (I'm cutting at the moment - currently around 11-13% BF), keeping cortisol under control very effectively, strength in the gym remarkably preserved at this weight (under 81kg from this morning - height 185cm), helps with lowering water weight (especially around midsection)...

Not feeling any side effects only positives so far.

My questions are - how do you apply it with Pansterone?

Do you apply those 4 drops Pansterone on scrotum or?

6-keto P4?

How tall are you and what is your weight (estimated BF level)?

Do you take some other supplements beside Pansterone and 6-keto? If so, how do you apply those?

Cheers

 

[Soren]

Haha that's funny, I'm the same weight and height as you. Was around 90kg (but I was eating more than I felt like).

I'm taking DAA to lower prolactin. Applying 20 drops Magnoil before going to bed with one glass of water with aspirin (300mg) and glycine (3g). And zinc picolinate (15mg)

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I wouldn't take aspirin directly before bed it can interfere with the sleep cycle.

 

[haidut]

I've started out with a much lower dose than most seem to be doing only gone for one drop of 6-keto in the morning and 1 drops of pansterone. Anyone have any thoughts on what the optimal ratio between 6-Keto and pansterone would be?

Don't have much science to back this up with but I feel best on combination doses 10mg 6-keto P4 with 5mg Pansterone (5mg/5mg pregnenolone/DHEA). I usually take this combination twice a day but some people use up to 3 times. Matches well with Peat saying he think the optimal ratio of progesteroneHEA when used together is 1:1 to 2:1 depending on how prone the person is to converting into estrogen.

 

[Soren]

Don't have much science to back this up with but I feel best on combination doses 10mg 6-keto P4 with 5mg Pansterone (5mg/5mg pregnenolone/DHEA). I usually take this combination twice a day but some people use up to 3 times. Matches well with Peat saying he think the optimal ratio of progesteroneHEA when used together is 1:1 to 2:1 depending on how prone the person is to converting into estrogen.

Thanks Haidut. So the more prone someone is to converting into estrogen the less they should take? When I've taken too much pansterone in the past it has given me heart palpitations, I used to think that this might have been due to low magnesium but I now think this might have been due to an increase in adrenaline. I also used to take pansterone combined with androsterone but that would often give me joint pains and make me retain water, which if I am not mistaken could be a sign of estrogen being too high or of it being too low.

 

[haidut]

Thanks Haidut. So the more prone someone is to converting into estrogen the less they should take? When I've taken too much pansterone in the past it has given me heart palpitations, I used to think that this might have been due to low magnesium but I now think this might have been due to an increase in adrenaline. I also used to take pansterone combined with androsterone but that would often give me joint pains and make me retain water, which if I am not mistaken could be a sign of estrogen being too high or of it being too low.

Not the amount, the ratio would be different. If somebody is prone to converting Pansterone into estrogen the ratio of progestins would be higher. So, for those people the ratio progestins:Pansterone should be 2:1 and for those not prone to aromatization it may be as low as 1:1. The 10mg 6-keto with 5mg Pansterone would be 2:1 ratio, so should be safer in terms of aromatization.

 

[Soren]

Not the amount, the ratio would be different. If somebody is prone to converting Pansterone into estrogen the ratio of progestins would be higher. So, for those people the ratio progestins:Pansterone should be 2:1 and for those not prone to aromatization it may be as low as 1:1. The 10mg 6-keto with 5mg Pansterone would be 2:1 ratio, so should be safer in terms of aromatization.

Thanks Haidut. What are your thoughts on 6-Keto and hair loss? I'm guessing the main benefit would be due to the opposition to cortisol and the downstream effects that has on the scalp and hair follicles. I'm currently applying Cardenosine to the scalp a couple of times a week and was thinking about applying 6-keto to the scalp as well but I think the systemic effect it has is likely sufficient.

 

[Wagner83]

The 10mg 6-keto with 5mg Pansterone would be 2:1 ratio, so should be safer in terms of aromatization.

But people may want to keep in mind that the anti-aromatase effects of 6kp weren't demonstrated anywhere as per the OP (although you suggested it could have anti-aromatase effects).

Matches well with Peat saying he think the optimal ratio of progesteroneHEA when used together is 1:1 to 2:1 depending on how prone the person is to converting into estrogen.

But 6kp doesn't seem to have the same effects as progesterone. Btw I like those random smileys which somehow make their way in the middle of an unrelated sentence.

 

[TripleOG]

I wouldn't take aspirin directly before bed it can interfere with the sleep cycle.

In what situation would aspirin prior to bed be contraindicated? Aspirin tanking stress hormones would be quite the sleep aid, no? I've seen Danny Roddy mention taking 500mg prior to bed on his facebook or instagram, I can't remember.