Has Anyone Cured Their Hair Loss

[inurendotoxin]

Also @rawmeat that looks like an incredible improvement. Would you mind sharing how long you felt it took and what were the main things you found to be helpful?

Yes, things have gotten better in the last few months.

Most important things for me:

1. Consistency--Eat well. Get on a daily routine!! Get outside in the sun. Stimulate your brain with real activities instead of melting in front of a computer.
2. Having a clean scalp. I buzzed my head, and this helped me clean it much better. Drying my hair completely after a shower is important because the water is hard where I live which causes a scalp buildup. I use nizoral 1x/week also. I will be trying a topical of niacinamide and taurine in the near term. I sometimes use coconut or olive oil in my scalp with a drop of iodine after a shower.
2. Massaging/brushing about 15 min/day and a 10 min inversion/day.
3. Aspirin!!! 81-325mg/day. An absolute must.
4. Caffeine. Have 2/day. Each coffee will contain ample milk, sugar, and 1 tbs of gelatin.
5. Some sort of exercise everyday to get blood flowing and improve lymph flow. I like lifting or playing ball. Not to mention I've gotten much stronger and leaner in the last 3 months.
6. Liver and oysters every week. Vit A makes my skin perfect.
8. Temps and pulse (98+ and 70-90)
9.******* Trust & stick to a plan for months and stop worrying*******.

I've also begun to start thyroid now that I've read Broda Barnes' book. Too early to say if there have been benefits.

Awesome, thanks for sharing your routine. I personally barely notice thyroid. I think caffeine acts as a synthetic thyroid so if you regularly drink coffee both T4/T3 levels will already be increased /normalized. (I heard that from Haidut on one of the Danny Roddy podcasts).

 

[Arnold Grape]

Peat apparently drank 40-50 cups a day regularly for a while, so looks like as long as you have enough food, it's not bad for you. The lower your aromatase is, the better you can handle coffee without jitters. So his aromatase must have been absolutely nonexistent..

40-50?? Common man: how is that even possible?

 

[biffbelvin]

No. I've not made any progress in my hair loss, it's just been a steady decline. I'm convinced however that I would be in a much worse position where it not for me actively pursuing better health.

One of my close friends is, interestingly, in a parallel situation to me. We have similar problems with anxiety, balding, sleep quality etc. etc. Over a year ago we were in the same position, but now he's worsened whilst I've got better (just not with hair). It's unfortunate and i've tried to intervene where possible, but it has given me a yardstick to me reflect on my personal progress.

What I've found is that for as long as I can remember I've cycled between high-energy and low-energy states. At the moment it probably works out to 4 days high energy and 3 days low. Previously however it was 2 days high to 5 days low. When I was depressed at 18 and 21 it was most definitely 7 days low.

Just to clarify these are what i mean by high energy/low energy states.

High Energy

• Charismatic, Sociable and a Drive to socialise/be outside
• Lots more energy and Endurance with respect to exercise. Stronger, muscles feel like they have slightly more volume
• Less Anxiety, generally calmer
• Stronger Discipline with respect to responsibilites/routine and leisure (i.e. I'll paint, rather than play video games)
• Shed virtually no hairs

Low Energy

• Mild anxiety and less comfortable in social situations
• General Aches and pains, particularly in back and joints (sedentary job)
• Tendency to stoop and general stiffness
• Very Mild sense of hypoxia, as if i'm breathing slightly inefficently chronically
• Low Discipline and energy, don't want to exercise (even though it helps tremendously)
• outlook on life is dampened
• Shed dozens of hairs

I'm still trying to work out how to shift myself to a high energy state for a greater proportion. My gut reaction is that if I could maintain the High Energy state long term, then some hair regrowth would occur, but that's easier said than done.

I find that I get tonsil stones quite often, and these usually correlate with the aching/fatigue. I'm convinced that if I didn't have a thorough oral hygiene routine (Dr Ellies) I'd be getting tonsilitis regularly. Ironically, if that actually happened I could argue to my GP to get my tonsils removed. Though that's not necessarily a solution.

 

[Risingfire]

Around 12 to 20 cups a day pretty consistently for about 6 months, 20 cups on days that I could eat a lot and handle the increase in stress hormones, 12 cups for days I didn't have that much food or couldn't handle it anymore, probably 16 cups a day on average.

After 6 months I couldn't handle it anymore and went down to 7-8 cups a day and I'm trying to maintain those levels currently. But I skip several days and drink only 1-2 on each of those days if I feel it building up too much in my system and I start getting jittery.

Peat apparently drank 40-50 cups a day regularly for a while, so looks like as long as you have enough food, it's not bad for you. The lower your aromatase is, the better you can handle coffee without jitters. So his aromatase must have been absolutely nonexistent.

2 aspirins a day along with vitamin K were also very important for me.



Was an absolute must for me as well. Congrats on the amazing results.

I couldn't imagine drinking 20 cups in a day. I don't even know if I consume 20 cups of any fluid in a day. Were you drinking it as iced coffee at any point?

 

[lampofred]

40-50?? Common man: how is that even possible?

That's what he said. And he also said at a certain point an entire box of Folger's lasted only a few days for him (but not currently). It's pretty crazy but I highly doubt he is someone who would feel the need to lie just to shock people.

 

[lampofred]

I couldn't imagine drinking 20 cups in a day. I don't even know if I consume 20 cups of any fluid in a day. Were you drinking it as iced coffee at any point?

I made it about 2.5 times as strong as regular coffee so it ended up at around 8 cups. On some days I just used a caffeine pill to replace some of the fluid but I would not recommend that at all. High coffee never gave me problems aside from stress from the high metabolism but the pill did because it has none of the nutrients and antioxidants that coffee comes with. I also drank dark roast which is less stressful than the light roasts because of more nutrients and slightly lower caffeine content. No never drank iced.

 

[Arnold Grape]

That’s fine — it’s just one of those weird dogmatic things that you see around here, like taking 1 gram of aspirin daily or sleeping under a lamp. Who is doing this and does it feel good? My guess, based on RP principles, is that type of extreme behavior indicates its own stress and that is not good. I’m going to eat a shrimp taco right now.

 

[inurendotoxin]

No. I've not made any progress in my hair loss, it's just been a steady decline. I'm convinced however that I would be in a much worse position where it not for me actively pursuing better health.

One of my close friends is, interestingly, in a parallel situation to me. We have similar problems with anxiety, balding, sleep quality etc. etc. Over a year ago we were in the same position, but now he's worsened whilst I've got better (just not with hair). It's unfortunate and i've tried to intervene where possible, but it has given me a yardstick to me reflect on my personal progress.

What I've found is that for as long as I can remember I've cycled between high-energy and low-energy states. At the moment it probably works out to 4 days high energy and 3 days low. Previously however it was 2 days high to 5 days low. When I was depressed at 18 and 21 it was most definitely 7 days low.

Just to clarify these are what i mean by high energy/low energy states.

High Energy

• Charismatic, Sociable and a Drive to socialise/be outside
• Lots more energy and Endurance with respect to exercise. Stronger, muscles feel like they have slightly more volume
• Less Anxiety, generally calmer
• Stronger Discipline with respect to responsibilites/routine and leisure (i.e. I'll paint, rather than play video games)
• Shed virtually no hairs

Low Energy

• Mild anxiety and less comfortable in social situations
• General Aches and pains, particularly in back and joints (sedentary job)
• Tendency to stoop and general stiffness
• Very Mild sense of hypoxia, as if i'm breathing slightly inefficently chronically
• Low Discipline and energy, don't want to exercise (even though it helps tremendously)
• outlook on life is dampened
• Shed dozens of hairs

I'm still trying to work out how to shift myself to a high energy state for a greater proportion. My gut reaction is that if I could maintain the High Energy state long term, then some hair regrowth would occur, but that's easier said than done.

I find that I get tonsil stones quite often, and these usually correlate with the aching/fatigue. I'm convinced that if I didn't have a thorough oral hygiene routine (Dr Ellies) I'd be getting tonsilitis regularly. Ironically, if that actually happened I could argue to my GP to get my tonsils removed. Though that's not necessarily a solution.

Your analysis of high vs low energy is 100% right. It's very noticeable in others also, when you're looking for it.

I think becoming high energy just requires practice, and constant experimentation. Even just changing up one thing at a time. I've been peating just over a year and feel like I've made a breakthrough only in the last 4-5 days. I had estrogen symptoms last night which I thought was odd, so I'm cutting out milk today (just an example).

I think I have always overlooked the importance of diet. Now I'm convinced it's essential to start with diet. Metabolism is central to everything, and diet is central to metabolism. Just keeping sugar high, and starch (& pufa) low have made a huge impact for me. I'm feeling noticeably more energetic and stable in general. 5 days isn't a lot of time, but that kind of consistent energy is unheard of for me.

I wouldn't ignore the role of supplements either. They're not a magic pill, but they can help. 6-keto P4 and Pregnenolone seem to be working pretty well for me. 6kP for lowering cortisol and stabilising blood sugar, and Pregnenolone raises my alertness and gives me deep & restful sleep.

 

[BigChad]

The better your mitochondria are and the more pregnenolone, progesterone, GABA you are producing, the less careful you will need to be with diet, which is why kids and naturally healthy people can eat whatever they want with no ill effect.

The problem is that I have no idea how to drastically increase mitochondria aside from moving to a high altitude. If it's possible to figure that out then it means the end of all degenerative disease. Lowering baseline nitric oxide is probably the key to doing this but that's easier said than done.

So for now it's just avoiding PUFA, minimizing anything that increases prolactin (such as oversleeping, alcohol, fapping), drinking coffee, taking aspirin, trying to avoid hyperventilating, all pretty much for as long as I am able to maintain the willpower.

does years of using sucralose in whey protein shakes lead to significant negative effects on the mitochondria?
Also, I thought olive leaf extract positively affects mitochondria, and thats why it helps CFS?

 

[nbznj]

I think that LLLT devices are the most promising alongside topicals such as Morr-F (finasteride + minoxidil), biEstro maybe, HGH perhaps, and a diet that focuses on high magnesium and vitamin K - moderate calcium and vitamin D. The idea is to reduce muscular tension, stop skull growth, reverse calcification, improve glycolysis, oxygenation and blood flow and boost follicle regrowth. Dairy sounds like an absolute no go.

A hypothetical pathogenesis model for androgenic alopecia: clarifying the dihydrotestosterone paradox and rate-limiting recovery factors - ScienceDirect

^ my favorite publication to date. Too many super insightful parts to quote.

 

[mrchibbs]

I think that LLLT devices are the most promising alongside topicals such as Morr-F (finasteride + minoxidil), biEstro maybe, HGH perhaps, and a diet that focuses on high magnesium and vitamin K - moderate calcium and vitamin D. The idea is to reduce muscular tension, stop skull growth, reverse calcification, improve glycolysis, oxygenation and blood flow and boost follicle regrowth. Dairy sounds like an absolute no go.

A hypothetical pathogenesis model for androgenic alopecia: clarifying the dihydrotestosterone paradox and rate-limiting recovery factors - ScienceDirect

^ my favorite publication to date. Too many super insightful parts to quote.

Rob is a nice dude. His Perfect Hair Health book (2016), despite the corny title, was extremely well researched and thorough, with emphasis on many of the same things Danny Roddy talks about, including the importance of thyroid, vitamin D. Don't agree with everything in that book, but it's hard to argue that dozens of his readers have regrown their hair with the ideas in the book, and for about 2 years from 2014-2016 he stopped selling his book to offer exclusive email and skype support to his early readers to try and get them to achieve regrowth.

I think Danny is right that actively trying to injure the scalp could be extremely deleterious in a low-energy state, by increasing nitric oxide and worsening fibrosis, but general massage and other approach to relieve tension are probably very useful. Thyroid and intestinal health are still fundamental to the problem however, so if you don't deal with the systemic issues you're never gonna get anywhere with massaging your scalp.

 

[nbznj]

Yeah agreed. I’d say thyroid and all things pituitary in general. Age related GH decline isn’t helping anyone. For some reason peat dislikes GH but there again, hard to argue with (moderate) GH users getting improvements in all aspects of life including hair thickness, skin elasticity etc.

 

[mrchibbs]

Yeah agreed. I’d say thyroid and all things pituitary in general. Age related GH decline isn’t helping anyone. For some reason peat dislikes GH but there again, hard to argue with (moderate) GH users getting improvements in all aspects of life including hair thickness, skin elasticity etc.

I for one agree with Ray on HGH, I think it's mostly a decline in the anti-stress steroids DHEA, Progesterone, Testosterone etc. that we see with age. A general slow-down of the metabolism.

 

[BigChad]

I think that LLLT devices are the most promising alongside topicals such as Morr-F (finasteride + minoxidil), biEstro maybe, HGH perhaps, and a diet that focuses on high magnesium and vitamin K - moderate calcium and vitamin D. The idea is to reduce muscular tension, stop skull growth, reverse calcification, improve glycolysis, oxygenation and blood flow and boost follicle regrowth. Dairy sounds like an absolute no go.

A hypothetical pathogenesis model for androgenic alopecia: clarifying the dihydrotestosterone paradox and rate-limiting recovery factors - ScienceDirect

^ my favorite publication to date. Too many super insightful parts to quote.

Why low calcium and vitamin d? Don't you need those especially to balance phosphorus and for the thyroid? Do calcium and vitamin d cause hair loss?

 

[mrchibbs]

Dairy is on the contrary very important. The calcium keeps the parathyroid suppressed and it’s one of the key things to prevent hair loss, and it’s an easy way to get protein with a good calcium to phosphate ratio. Of course if you’ve got trouble digesting dairy, better fix that first

 

[rawmeat]

Dairy is on the contrary very important. The calcium keeps the parathyroid suppressed and it’s one of the key things to prevent hair loss, and it’s an easy way to get protein with a good calcium to phosphate ratio. Of course if you’ve got trouble digesting dairy, better fix that first

Dairy is ambiguous imo. It helps some, but is terrible for others.

Sunlight/Vit D will have congruent impacts (possibly even better than milk) for keeping parathyroid suppressed.

 

[mrchibbs]

Dairy is ambiguous imo. It helps some, but is terrible for others.

Sunlight/Vit D will have congruent impacts (possibly even better than milk) for keeping parathyroid suppressed.

Of course many people don't digest it too well. But reintroducing it slowly and finding a better source of milk than the commercial type usually is all it takes to solve the issue.
And in the absence of dairy, it becomes very difficult to balance calcium and suppress parathyroid. Eggshell powder can be rough on the stomach but if you can grind it till it's dust, then it could allow someone to do well without dairy.

 

[nbznj]

I wrote “moderate” calcium, not low.

1-1.5g is enough. I get it from leafy greens (kale has virtually no oxalates) and fortified OJ, or mineral water high in Ca&Mg. I keep Ca:Mg in a 2:1 ratio at most. Vitamin K is crucial on top of vitamin D. No one wants calcification in the bad places. Doesn’t happen with sunlight. Happens with abusing vitamin d supplements.

Dairy has growth factors in it. Elevating igf1 trigger somatostatin by way of negative feedback. Could it further skull growth and increase pressure on the hair follicles? While inhibiting hair stem cell proliferation and differenciation (from GH)? How about sebum over production? BCAAs seem to promote insulin resistance. Is that remotely desirable?

A Bimodal Association of Vitamin D Levels and Vascular Disease in Children on Dialysis

Vitamin D in Vascular Calcification: A Double-Edged Sword?

Vitamin K Reverses Arterial Stiffness - Life Extension

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/pdf/S2211-1247(16)30733-1.pdf

 

[tygertgr]

I had lost a bit more then half an inch of hairline in classic MPB and I've 80% recovered it over two years.

Diet interventions beyond not under-eating were mostly irrelevant, as best I can tell. I was probably tending to under-eat for some years. Quantity of food (and stoking the furnace via exercise) dwarfs any neuroticism about PUFA and so-forth. I eat high quality Maine sardines all the time, for example. I am confident they make me feel better, PUFA and all.

The single most effective thing for general health and hair for me has been sunbathing. I think I have an especially high requirement for sun. I am of northern european extraction and live at ~39°N but still find I need as much midday sun as I can possibly get. If it's above 50F and a clear sunny day I will blow off a meeting to skip out to a park and take my shirt and shoes off and lay on a picnic table for 45m around noon. In summer if the sun is blasting on a Saturday or Sunday I will religiously spend the whole day outside walking, bicycling, sailing, drinking beer by a pool, whatever, wearing as little clothing as possible. Non-negotiable. Plans will be changed to take in sun. Even when visiting down around ~25°N I never wear sunscreen, walk around shirtless, never wear sunglasses.

Prioritizing physical fitness over other concerns. A lot of the takes on exercise in these parts are bollocks. The hormetic theory of exercise is correct. Power law training is correct: mostly go very easy, but very occasionally you need to force yourself to go very hard. With adequate recovery time, every now and then, it is very good to repeatedly sprint up a hill for half an hour until you puke, or force yourself to walk 20+ miles in a day even though everything hurts, or spend an hour doing as many pull-ups as you can possibly do. People telling you to avoid this sort of thing are wrong. In order to build health you need to force yourself to do physical activity you might not instinctively want to do, both daily easy stuff like walking and occasional puke sessions. I am very confident that people telling you to never force yourself to exercise unless you feel like it are wrong. Even a cancer patient needs to exercise.

Massage and derma-needling work to break up scar tissue. Derminator once a week is as effective as daily massage, in my opinion, and worth the investment. Neither are probably strictly necessary, but it certainly can accelerate things. Really big solid chunks of skin would flake off my scalp a couple days after needling while the tissue was remodeling.

 

[JDreamer]

I had lost a bit more then half an inch of hairline in classic MPB and I've 80% recovered it over two years.

Diet interventions beyond not under-eating were mostly irrelevant, as best I can tell. I was probably tending to under-eat for some years. Quantity of food (and stoking the furnace via exercise) dwarfs any neuroticism about PUFA and so-forth. I eat high quality Maine sardines all the time, for example. I am confident they make me feel better, PUFA and all.

The single most effective thing for general health and hair for me has been sunbathing. I think I have an especially high requirement for sun. I am of northern european extraction and live at ~39°N but still find I need as much midday sun as I can possibly get. If it's above 50F and a clear sunny day I will blow off a meeting to skip out to a park and take my shirt and shoes off and lay on a picnic table for 45m around noon. In summer if the sun is blasting on a Saturday or Sunday I will religiously spend the whole day outside walking, bicycling, sailing, drinking beer by a pool, whatever, wearing as little clothing as possible. Non-negotiable. Plans will be changed to take in sun. Even when visiting down around ~25°N I never wear sunscreen, walk around shirtless, never wear sunglasses.

Prioritizing physical fitness over other concerns. A lot of the takes on exercise in these parts are bollocks. The hormetic theory of exercise is correct. Power law training is correct: mostly go very easy, but very occasionally you need to force yourself to go very hard. With adequate recovery time, every now and then, it is very good to repeatedly sprint up a hill for half an hour until you puke, or force yourself to walk 20+ miles in a day even though everything hurts, or spend an hour doing as many pull-ups as you can possibly do. People telling you to avoid this sort of thing are wrong. In order to build health you need to force yourself to do physical activity you might not instinctively want to do, both daily easy stuff like walking and occasional puke sessions. I am very confident that people telling you to never force yourself to exercise unless you feel like it are wrong. Even a cancer patient needs to exercise.

Massage and derma-needling work to break up scar tissue. Derminator once a week is as effective as daily massage, in my opinion, and worth the investment. Neither are probably strictly necessary, but it certainly can accelerate things. Really big solid chunks of skin would flake off my scalp a couple days after needling while the tissue was remodeling.

So basically just those lone few things enabled you to grow back most of your hair?